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Old 06-27-2019, 02:55 PM
 
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Something I've wondered. The only time female predators are acknowledged is in the media when it comes to adult female teachers and teenage boys. However, in nearly all of these cases, the social perception (at least from a large amount of men) is that these women 'gifted' these boys and they must have enjoyed it.

Perhaps that's the heart of the reason why so few women predators/deviants are caught. The social perception of women being 'delicate' makes it difficult for society to acknowledge female predators as well as even victims to acknowledge they are abused

There's a biological element as well and it's been proven testosterone drives aggression and sexual behavior which would put the male gender more as outliers than females in sexual deviancy

What do you think is the reason? Why do you rarely see women grope other men or women?
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Old 06-27-2019, 02:58 PM
 
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Something I've wondered. The only time female predators are acknowledged is in the media when it comes to adult female teachers and teenage boys. However, in nearly all of these cases, the social perception (at least from a large amount of men) is that these women 'gifted' these boys and they must have enjoyed it.

Perhaps that's the heart of the reason why so few women predators/deviants are caught. The social perception of women being 'delicate' makes it difficult for society to acknowledge female predators as well as even victims to acknowledge they are abused

There's a biological element as well and it's been proven testosterone drives aggression and sexual behavior which would put the male gender more as outliers than females in sexual deviancy

What do you think is the reason? Why do you rarely see women grope other men or women?
Maybe we do …. and then they like it
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Old 06-27-2019, 03:23 PM
 
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LOL

(I'm sure it comes as a surprise and a shock to absolutely freaking NO ONE that I have...thoughts...on this subject. )

I believe that women are absolutely as sexually deviant as men. ABSOLUTELY. Maybe more so! It just takes different forms in how it commonly manifests.

Let's look at it this way. In the human brain, it's very common for a touch of the taboo to stimulate sexual arousal. That is normal. People act like it isn't, but it is. One need only check out the fantastical material people create for this kind of stimulation, whether it's porn film or erotic writing. We like the taboo, the things that are "against the rules" in some way.

But what are the "rules" and where do those come from? Well they will vary in different cultures. But I can speak to America. In the US, men have long had the privilege (yes, I know, we all hate that word) of being free to be sexual, to have desire, to pursue sex, to be allowed to WANT. They might start off wanting things that are reasonably normal or tame. Perhaps informed by a tweak or two in some kink direction by some bit of psychological input as children or adolescents. But given that it's expected they will go after porn and try to have sexual experiences, they will more readily travel through and beyond to whatever is "next." Like a person who watches so much porn that normal sex scenes are boring and they've got to find the extreme stuff. A phenomenon I've seen many times in many people.

I think, and writings go back to the late 1700s bearing this out with the "Libertine" movement in France, that the more wealthy and privileged a man is, the more he will get bored with all the things (sexual) that are easy to have, easy to get. When you can simply have women at a snap of the fingers, how interesting will that be when that urge is so simply satiated on a whim, over and over? No, and even acts you can get with consenting adults will be too easy. Which is why we find out, I think, about the very powerful people being serious deviants of the predatory kind in secret. I could go into further detail, but suffice to say that is a thing.

Women though, did not have as much social license to WANT to have, pursue, and enjoy sex. And to even admit it was scandalous enough, to indulge willfully was abhorrent. Women's taboo brain fantasy often leans toward non-consent (rape fantasy is common, though women don't actually want to be raped) because there's a mechanism by which we are able to enjoy sexuality and being desired and had, without feeling responsible for it or to blame for anything in a society that insists women should not enjoy sex at all. This of course is mostly lingering remnants from the Victorian era. And when sexuality is socially repressed, some really odd stuff gets done in secret, you can't really keep it suppressed.

But I'd say first you have to define deviancy. What REALLY pushes a taboo and is that different for men and for women? For a man, you might have to go a lot further to be considered abnormal...for a woman, for the longest time, just being sexual at all was considered to be deviant behavior. In fact for a while there, we were putting women in asylums for it.

Now though, women have more freedom in America than we used to. I'm setting aside the kind of deviancy that does harm to others such as pedophilia for a moment, and speaking from the perspective of someone in fringe groups. Polyamory, BDSM, LGBTQ+, etc. This is my community now, thousands strong in my area alone. And in my region at least...women seem to be a majority. I go to parties and I'm amazed that there are such a high number of attractive, single women for every (even kind of) attractive single guy. But that's in the IN PERSON venues. If you are on one of our networking websites, there are droves of isolated kinky men, loners behind keyboards, hammering out messages begging women to come to their homes or engage in private play. So many women say, "come to an event at this club" and the guys wig out and get mad and won't do it. They want zero effort and instant reward, or nothing. But that's ok, because we ladies can have a fine time on our own, if we must, and we do.

I think that more men do aggressive things and harm others (violate consent, etc) sure. But in the realms of consensual deviancy, women are taking over. Women lead their men into polyamory more, women make up a large amount of the kink communities. And I even know plenty of vanilla woman who are playing the field while the men are crying out wanting commitment, a wife and family. I feel like the old roles have nearly flipped. I am certainly not complaining but it is intriguing to observe.
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Old 06-27-2019, 03:30 PM
 
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There have been studies that show that female predators are more common than most people expect, but the main reason most experts say they aren't portrayed as commonly as male predators is because our society has trouble seeing males as victims.

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Old 06-27-2019, 04:01 PM
 
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Something I've wondered. The only time female predators are acknowledged is in the media when it comes to adult female teachers and teenage boys. However, in nearly all of these cases, the social perception (at least from a large amount of men) is that these women 'gifted' these boys and they must have enjoyed it.

Perhaps that's the heart of the reason why so few women predators/deviants are caught. The social perception of women being 'delicate' makes it difficult for society to acknowledge female predators as well as even victims to acknowledge they are abused

There's a biological element as well and it's been proven testosterone drives aggression and sexual behavior which would put the male gender more as outliers than females in sexual deviancy

What do you think is the reason? Why do you rarely see women grope other men or women?
Have you ever seen anyone grope anyone? Or do you mean, "why do we never see reports of women groping men"? Because men don't report it, or contribute to #metoo. Men get groped, they get deliberately brushed against by women's boobs, they have women back into them when standing in a crowd or on a transit, they get all kinds of "assaults", mostly subtle, but some are overt crotch grabs. One guy I was attending a concert with had this happen, and he knocked the woman backwards into the crowd. She left him alone after that. Stuff happens.
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Old 06-27-2019, 04:22 PM
 
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Have you ever seen anyone grope anyone? Or do you mean, "why do we never see reports of women groping men"? Because men don't report it, or contribute to #metoo. Men get groped, they get deliberately brushed against by women's boobs, they have women back into them when standing in a crowd or on a transit, they get all kinds of "assaults", mostly subtle, but some are overt crotch grabs. One guy I was attending a concert with had this happen, and he knocked the woman backwards into the crowd. She left him alone after that. Stuff happens.
It's funny because the other way around and that guy would have been looking at an assault/battery charge.

Come to think of it again, have you heard of a woman groping a man?
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Old 06-27-2019, 04:25 PM
 
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1) Do butch lesbians have more testosterone than males of any sexual orientation?
2) If so, do they commit sexual assault/rape in proportionate numbers to male counterparts?
3) If not, why not?
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Old 06-27-2019, 04:29 PM
 
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There have been studies that show that female predators are more common than most people expect, but the main reason most experts say they aren't portrayed as commonly as male predators is because our society has trouble seeing males as victims.


This. And men are much less likely to report molestation, especially as a child, and they certainly aren't encouraged or even taught that it is a problem. Society tends to frame "molestors" as men so if a woman does it it wasn't molestation (to a child's mind).
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Old 06-27-2019, 04:34 PM
 
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I mean, as indicated with the rambling post I made above, I think it would be VERY helpful to differentiate whether we are talking about the kind of "deviance" that is just...culturally unusual, but still consensual and not HARMFUL or predatory, or the the kind that is damaging to others like molestation and assault and violations like that.

I would suspect that while similar numbers of men and women like strange sexual things, and while similar numbers do unethical things as well, it is perhaps more likely for men to be violent or aggressive about it, to rely on force more, just because a man is usually not only physically stronger than an average woman, but accustomed to being that way, and sort of programmed to use physical strength and violence more than women are.

But that is only like, one kind of thing, and doesn't cover even remotely all kinds of sexual assault, let alone other "deviance."
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Old 06-27-2019, 05:33 PM
 
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'Why are there so few sexual female predators/deviants?"

unreported.
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