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Old 07-22-2019, 09:29 PM
 
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People sometimes see things differently. Much of the technological (for example) advancement on this planet has happened because someone saw something differently from the way the majority saw it. And they made their own facts of that something actually work in the world. Then pretty much everyone began to see what they saw and it began to be called truth.

What I mean is there's a huge difference between facts and truth. It would help a lot if we could come to agreement on the definition of each of those.
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Old 07-22-2019, 10:11 PM
 
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People sometimes see things differently. Much of the technological (for example) advancement on this planet has happened because someone saw something differently from the way the majority saw it. And they made their own facts of that something actually work in the world. Then pretty much everyone began to see what they saw and it began to be called truth.

What I mean is there's a huge difference between facts and truth. It would help a lot if we could come to agreement on the definition of each of those.
Everything that is factual is true but not everything that is true is factual.

Or something like that.

Just don't say that "everything/it's all is subjective" because it simply isn't.

Some people think they see something, and they really didn't. They can think it all they like, they can swear it's the truth, they can believe it, but it's not what really happened. It may be "true" to them, but it is not actually true.
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Old 07-22-2019, 10:24 PM
 
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Everything that is factual is true but not everything that is true is factual.

Or something like that.

Just don't say that "everything/it's all is subjective" because it simply isn't.

Some people think they see something, and they really didn't. They can think it all they like, they can swear it's the truth, they can believe it, but it's not what really happened. It may be "true" to them, but it is not actually true.
Ok. What I'm trying to get at is what's the definition of "actually true"?
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Old 07-23-2019, 04:03 PM
 
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Well, yes, a kind lie is often easier to take than the truth.

But on the other hand, you may well using the excuse of "truth" to be blunt, unkind, and confrontational more than is necessary.

And, really, how important is the "why"? And how important is it that you confront them about it? If someone is habitually late, maybe it's a sign of disrespect OR maybe he's just disorganized OR maybe he just needs a watch. Do you really need to have a fight about it?

And it seem really crazy to text something confrontational.
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Old 07-23-2019, 05:52 PM
 
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Well, yes, a kind lie is often easier to take than the truth.

But on the other hand, you may well using the excuse of "truth" to be blunt, unkind, and confrontational more than is necessary.

And, really, how important is the "why"? And how important is it that you confront them about it? If someone is habitually late, maybe it's a sign of disrespect OR maybe he's just disorganized OR maybe he just needs a watch. Do you really need to have a fight about it?

And it seem really crazy to text something confrontational.
Maybe being late is a means of exerting power. I had a friend who was always 30 or more minutes late. Funny though, when she received a sizable inheritance, she suddenly was always on time. Maybe the money was empowering, as she went from being a sweet person to being entitled and pushy. The change was startling.
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Old 07-23-2019, 05:59 PM
 
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People sometimes see things differently. Much of the technological (for example) advancement on this planet has happened because someone saw something differently from the way the majority saw it. And they made their own facts of that something actually work in the world. Then pretty much everyone began to see what they saw and it began to be called truth.

What I mean is there's a huge difference between facts and truth. It would help a lot if we could come to agreement on the definition of each of those.

I would say ideas instead of their own facts.
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Old Yesterday, 01:36 AM
 
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I would say ideas instead of their own facts.
I think I understand what you're saying. Thanks.
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Old Yesterday, 02:26 AM
 
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Maybe being late is a means of exerting power. I had a friend who was always 30 or more minutes late
Interesting. In about 15 per cent of the families I've worked with the younger or youngest child, especially in their adulthood, is chronically late for when and where they've agreed to be scheduled to be. Not so much for work or for school but for family meetings/functions.
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Old Yesterday, 02:28 AM
 
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I have been as honest as I can in most of my life. I have only felt bad about lying.
I've been judged for being "impolite", for being "brutally honest" and I was wondering why.
I've met people who lie to themselves about why they do nice things for other people. Saying they are using others, when in the end they are the ones on the losing side. People will lie about anything, but it's only to protect themselves. who needs protection from the truth?

After a certain point my friends stopped misunderstanding what I am saying. They learned to value the truth for what it is.
It is not a judgement, it is not unkind, it is just the reality and a weight off your shoulders. It kind of makes you stronger.

I can understand that if your whole life has been really difficult, it will be hard to accept some things, but as Mama Ru says:
"If you can't love yourself, how the hell are you gonna love somebody else?"
Amen.
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Old Yesterday, 02:39 AM
 
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Is this a personality flaw of mine? I think to understand people best I need to figure out WHY they act the way they do.
Analyze all you like. Just don't tell them, especially if not asked. Just because you think something is true doesn't mean you need to convince someone else of the same.
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