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Old 05-19-2020, 03:42 PM
 
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You are comparing kissing a man, with eating something you are repulsed from.
Kissing a man doesn't have a flavor. it doesn't have a bad smell. It has neutral qualities.

Of course, this by itself doesn't mean you are homophobic. But from my point of view, it was a bad analogy.
Does it? I have wondered if one of the reasons that some people do have a higher level of disgust sensitivity is some might have some type of synesthesia where they are just perceiving things really differently.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia
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Old 05-19-2020, 03:50 PM
 
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Mind you, I'm also fed up with the LGBT community today and the idea that there are a thousand genders. So I am with you here.....

...Even far-leftists SJWs have a strange notion that sexuality is a preference, where they would call lesbians "bigoted" because they don't want to have sexual relations with transwomen who hadn't had bottom surgery, or in other words, 'shemales'. They also think that genital preference is a choice. Let's not be like them.
This is what I was getting at when I said far left liberals have used gays as stepping stones to move on to more radical agendas, as your examples illustrate.
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Old 05-19-2020, 04:00 PM
 
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I have had homosexual men tell me that there is no such thing as a bisexual man...just homosexual men who aren't admitting it yet.


So maybe women know the same thing.
It is true that a lot of guys who are really gay will lie (to themselves and others) and say they're bisexual because it doesn't seem as bad to them. I'm gay so I do understand the sentiment, but I definitely think there are bisexual guys.
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Old 05-19-2020, 04:02 PM
 
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I think repulsed is too strong a word. But I'm definitely not interested.



I think at least part of that is socialization. If you're gay, you grow up seeing straight people kiss in movies, TV, and real life a gazillion times, so you're desensitized to it. If you're hetero, the number of exposures to two men kissing is probably 1% of what gays experiences seeing heteros kiss.
It also may not be that hard wired. Spend some time reading the research of Meridith Chivers here and see Lisa Diamonds research on sexual fluidity. This article was really interesting.

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/m...5desire-t.html

https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog....=9780674032262

The percentage of women who identity as straight has been falling for the past 30 years. Is that a consequence of lesbian themed porn lowering the social sanctions against identifying as something other than straight or whether more sexual identity is much less hardwired than activists have argued. Lisa Diamond has also know been looking into the sexual fluidity of men. She has speculated that bi or bi curious men may be much less willing to acknowledge that in part because women who want to get married and have kids really don't want to date men sexually interested in other men. But she also points out the extent that this is happening on the downlow. On line searches for gay porn is pretty much the same in San Francisco and New York as in the Deep South, which was something I didn't suspect.


https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...ens-davidowitz

https://www.pornhub.com/insights/gay...-united-states
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Old 05-19-2020, 04:03 PM
 
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I think your post is pretty good but I think you are wrong about this. Religious conservatives don't like it because it is forbidden in the Bible. Although I am not a religious conservative, I HAVE taken Bible literature. I think it's also presumptuous of you to assume you know why they don't like it.
Ok, but it's the same general idea. I think it still invalidates the Bible for them if homosexuality has a biological component.
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Old 05-19-2020, 04:06 PM
 
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Short answer, there are some evolutionary factors at work that drive disgust sensitivity. Who has written a lot on the subject of disgust sensitivity is Jonathan Haidt. He is a professor of Moral Psychology previously at the University of Virginia and now at NYU Stern. His "The Righteous Mind", really dives into this he was trying to explain why we are drawn to the religious political beliefs we have, but it turns those are disgust sensitivity which is turn driven by the interplay of genes and environment.


https://www.amazon.com/Righteous-Min.../dp/0307455777
Yes, good points. I like Jonathan Haidt.

It turns out political conservatives are more disgusted by various things and liberals tend to be more open to different experiences and novelty--and not disgusted by much. Each leaning has its pros and cons.
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Old 05-19-2020, 04:22 PM
 
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This is what I was getting at when I said far left liberals have used gays as stepping stones to move on to more radical agendas, as your examples illustrate.
There are some definite power games being played by progressives to weaponize the grievances of various minorities to advance their own standing. Musa al-Gharbi has a really good piece on that here.

https://contexts.org/blog/who-gets-t...-whats-racist/
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Old 08-03-2023, 05:35 PM
 
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Most of the myriad different facets of transgenderism have little to do with homosexuality. Which is why most of the m to f transexuals are being set up for a life of loneliness and even suicide. When they reach their goal they realize they dont want to be with a man. They imagine themselves as lesbians, but lesbians dont want them and neither do straight women.
Transvestites are actually intensely heterosexual, so much so that looking at themselves as men in the mirror disgusts them so they want to see a woman.
How many letters are we up to with LGBT blah blah. Each additional is more confusing.

How about just Q****? You know why that will never fly? Because that would cover over half the population, and we are no longer the special snowflake who wants recognition.


You're conflating gender disphoria trans women with autogynaphiliacs (transvestite/ cross dressers)

To argue that homosexuality has very little to do with transgenderism is quite ignorant.

These days the term 'transgender' is very loaded but for the sake of keeping things less complicated, I'll reduce the two main groups of 'trans women' to the gender disphoria group and the autogynaphiliac group.

Transgender women who have experienced an extreme disconnect between their biological sex and the gender typical characteristics of the opposite sex, from their very earliest memories are generally thought of as being "born in the wrong body" as the wrong sex. These symptoms are referred to as s condition called gender disphoria. It's also something many gay men experience as young boys but perhaps on lessser spectrum which is why the vast majority grow out of their disphoria and go onto live as a cisgender homosexual. This condition isn't exclusive to males, although the prevalence in young girls experiencing this level of disphoria is significantly less.

Some of those children with gender disphoria dont grow out of it and as the body is developing into puberty, that disconnect between sex and gender identity becomes greater and that can often result in the beginning stages of transitioning. Others who have endured symptoms of gender disphoria throughout puberty might decide to transition after high school but very rarely do these individuals transition past early 20 as the disphoria is incredibly debilitating to live with which is sadly why many of them take their own lives.

There is a theory that these disphoria transgender individuals are born with the same biological component that can determine homosexuality. There is evidence to support this, with certain neurological patterns consistent with biological female are present in trans female. Those same patterns exist with gay men but to a lessee degree which suggests that those trans women who experience disphoria from early development are perhaps on the more extreme spectrum that can determine homosexuality. Obviously this neurological aspect is just one part of the puzzle that will help determine the higher chances of transgenderism combined with cla myriad of environmental factors etc.

The second group, as you referred to as transvestites or as I refer to them as autogynaphiliacs are quite the contrary. In fact so little did these two groups have in common with each other before the 2010's you would rarely even refer to them in the same sentence. Cross dressing have typically been heterosexual men who ha ve developed a kink. Autogynaphiliacs takes this concept one further and the idealisation of them being the object of their desire can awaken a newly discovered lateldisphoria but not all autogynaphiliacs have disphoria in fact most of then won't.

This gender identity has more to do with sexual arousal as the identity itself was developed over time a longer period but always born put of a paraphilia to imagine oneself as the sexual object of desire. Typically they 'transition ' much later in life, often living very ordinary lives as heterosexual men with no prior signs or symptoms of disphoria exhibited

As stated, typically autogynaphiliacs don't experience disphoria so the need to alleviate symptoms through hormones and surgery isn't as significant. Some of these individuals will decide to transition with medically and they involve anything from estrogen hormonal therapy to plastic surgery. This is the conundrum many autogynaphiliac trans women will be faced with. As they are already fully developed biological male adults, the need to reverse those masculine characteristics and feminise themselves to better reflect the object of their desires is strong so that will involve hormone therapy.

As they continue their cycles taking estrogen their physical appearance is becoming increasingly more feminised while simultaneously having a reverse effect on their libido. Men typically have a much higher sex drive than women, (which is one of the major factors why we don't see nearly as many paraphilias in women). That sex drive that drove them into discovering their latent gender identity is now starting to dissipate at the same rate their physical characteristics are becoming more notably feminised, inching closer to the object of their desire.

Whst happens when you're an autogynaphiliac who decides to transition and take hormones helping you look more feminised, and more aligned to the object of their desire yet simultaneously the very desire that was the impetus for the transition is decreasing at the same rate. The choice object or desire. They realise they can't have it both ways.

I'm not sure what you're referring to when you claim when most trans woman reach their goal and realise they don't want a man! I'm assuming you're referring to the disphoria trans? I don't where you're getting that data but it's not accurate, not even close.

Maybe what you were confused about was the other conundrum that exists for the disphoria group. This is specifically referring to those who have had bottom surgery and can be generally split into one of two groups. In the first group, this decision is made because the individual wants to blend in as much as possible and be recognised not as trans woman but an actual woman. The second group tends to be more apprehensive about the surgery but are usually doing it as a deal breaker because their heterosexual identifying male partners will only continue a relationship and introduce to his family as a cis woman.

Many trans women regret this, some don't but the vast majority of men who are attracted to trans women, require the d! Otherwise they'd just be with a cis woman. There's a common misunderstanding that men who are attracted to trans women are gay. Most certainly not! They aren't exactly heterosexual either which is why it's so frustrating the psychology/ sexolgy research community haven't given this fairly common orientation it's own distinct name.
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Old 08-04-2023, 01:40 PM
 
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Are men more repulsed by homosexuality than women?
Probably, at least in terms of not being open to it for ourselves (whereas women might be more likely to ‘try it’, so to speak, and not think anything of it). I know several women who had a one-night (or short-lived) experience while in college relative to such, despite embracing their femininity/heterosexuality wholeheartedly.
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Old 08-05-2023, 07:09 PM
 
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Admittedly not keen on gay stuff at all. That's just how it is l can't change it , to hell with the correctness of modern world these days.
We can like or not like whatever we do , we don't have to like everything but l also have reasons too, like their poor kids for example and nope not getting into it just saying.
Here just a few yrs back they legalised gay marriage though and l dreaded the thought.
And it was just a political grab , that was very obvious later on in the way that pm talked .
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