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Old 04-30-2020, 10:18 AM
 
Location: In the bee-loud glade
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Women are so beautiful that it's easy to understand how even some women would be attracted to them.
You've got them up there in an attempt to look up their skirts, right?
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Old 04-30-2020, 10:22 AM
 
Location: In the bee-loud glade
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What's "misogynistic" or "homophobic" to one person is very simply an attempt to protect women and children, to preserve the family unit, and sacred union that exists only between between men & women.

Men are our protectors. That's their role in society.


There exists an hierarchy, whether you like it or not..& nothing will ever change that.
I'd venture to say that the vast majority of men who harm women and children are heterosexual. And that some men in protector roles like cops, firefighters, or military personnel are gay.

How can that truth coexist with yours, without crossing streams?
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Old 04-30-2020, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Sylmar, a part of Los Angeles
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Is ice cold? Is the sky blue?
Of course thats true.
What if Katy Perry was a guy and recorded a song called "I kissed a guy, I liked it..."? Never hear it on the radio thats for sure. And many girls will go bi just like that with their friends, and their boyfriends are cool with it cuz they want to join in. (Do NOT go there, it will ruin your relationship) But if your GF approaches you and says I want to try a threesome? "Okay!"
"With another guy"
"Oh, HELL no."

But heres the deal, two lesbians, in no way shape nor form, ever want a guy to join in. So forget that.

Most non redneck hetero guys accept gays. I like them. Because theyre usually funny, self depricating, and if you work with them, theyre usually damn good at their job. We just dont want to see PDA.

Usually guys that are super homophobic, are scared theyre going to try it.
Last two sentences are completely wrong, I couldn't disagree more.























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Old 04-30-2020, 11:00 AM
 
Location: East TN
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What's "misogynistic" or "homophobic" to one person is very simply an attempt to protect women and children, to preserve the family unit, and sacred union that exists only between between men & women.

Men are our protectors. That's their role in society.


There exists an hierarchy, whether you like it or not..& nothing will ever change that.
How does being homophobic protect a woman or child from anything? The vast majority of violent offenders are hetero men. "Preserving the family unit" in the era of multiple divorces, unmarried parents, etc is an anachronism. And since researchers estimate that 41 percent of all first marriages end in divorce, 60 percent of second marriages end in divorce, and 73 percent of all third marriages end in divorce, I don't see how that union can be viewed as "sacred" in our society today.
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Old 04-30-2020, 11:23 AM
 
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Yeah, I have heard it has become a trend with heterosexuals. I think the reason is very sexist. I think some females are afraid of being labeled uncool if they say no to that request.

I did think it was a mainstay of homosexual men, though. I wonder what the percentages are that do it, as opposed to not doing it.
Um...NO. That is not the reason. Try shoving a ***** up your @ss and see how it feels.
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Old 04-30-2020, 11:27 AM
 
Location: planet earth
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Um...NO. That is not the reason. Try shoving a ***** up your @ss and see how it feels.
So your assertion is that women like whatever you alluded should be "shoved up" their "asses?"

Weird.

And kinky.

Nope.
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Old 04-30-2020, 11:29 AM
 
Location: U.S.A.
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Um...NO. That is not the reason. Try shoving a ***** up your @ss and see how it feels.
Even less enjoyable, considering the biological fact that women do not have prostates...




Oh I'm sorry, let me clarify- women born biologically female with a vagina, uterus, and ovaries
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Old 04-30-2020, 11:55 AM
 
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What I've seen change is that decades ago, men with moderate views on this used to "joke" about them in a sort of polite way. Now those same kind of men might not do that because they see it is possibly offensive. Kind of like the way that Monty Python used to imitate women.
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Old 04-30-2020, 12:09 PM
 
Location: South of Heaven
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You've got them up there in an attempt to look up their skirts, right?
Quit stealing my lines!
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Old 04-30-2020, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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And, I think most females have had males try it with them - so there seems to be an instinct in (some?) males to want to do that - is it a homosexual instinct or what is the other reason for wanting to use that particular orifice, I wonder.
Ya know... (and this kind of goes for this entire thread) ...it's perfectly fine for you to feel completely put off by a given sex act, to a point that you absolutely never, ever, for any reason, ever want to do it. What gets me rolling my eyes is this need people seem to have, to pathologize, explain, or worry about reasons and what it all MEANS for other people who choose to do something different.

I used to react to this concept with just as much...near-horror and revulsion, as you. I had a spouse who wanted to do this, I tried to be a good sport but it was all pain and no joy for me. He did not kindly leave me alone about it, but guilted me for not letting him, argued about how I was boring in bed, was cruel about it and constantly pressuring me. It was very emotionally hurtful, as I'm sure you can imagine. I did not exit that relationship with the best opinion of that act.

However, I've met a number of women (women I love and trust and speak openly with) since then who really enjoy it. And while I wanna try and hedge the details in this PG-13 forum here, I've found that it can be enjoyable, yes, even for a woman, under certain circumstances having to do with preparation, technique, and anatomical dimensions. And that is all I'm gonna say about THAT.

As for why men want it? A few of the most likely reasons off the top of my head are that men tend to love novelty, men who view a lot of porn in particular tend to desire more and more novelty, or end up wanting things they've seen, and beyond that, I'm told it feels really good.

To pivot to the thread subject... I often find it interesting how differently people behave when social context is different. (Yes, this is another allusion to the BDSM community I'm involved in.) In a big group of people who allow for deviation from sexual norms and judgment, where people feel free to be different safely, you get very different results. And certainly that group is self-selected for deviation from "the norm" but straight people get desensitized to seeing gay PDA just like people who are involved in said community get desensitized to nudity and displays of sexuality in general, surprisingly fast and easily. There are still plenty of straight people there who absolutely do not want to participate in gay sex of any kind, but they lose the disgust and it's just a "oh no thanks, that's not my thing." Like when you go to a restaurant there is no need to scream in revulsion or make faces over a dish someone else orders that you don't like...nobody is gonna make you eat it! The shock factor goes away, it's all just whatever, people ignore things that they have squicky feelings about. And I like that the more validating environment makes people feel more free to be genuine about what they do want. I know a LOT of bisexual or "hetero-flexible" men. I also know women like myself, who came into the community claiming to be bisexual, only to realize...kinda not really. Split theory works for me, because I get somewhat romantic crushes on women, become fixated on exciting and attractive female friends, but might not necessarily feel any drive to express that by having sex with them. In the "vanilla" world I felt like I could not be free to feel what I felt, without some aspect of something I don't. Now, I feel that I can be more honest and genuine about it.

Sexually speaking, I'm mostly if not completely straight. But I do like to watch men with men, I think that's hot. *shrug*

People can like or dislike whatever, as long as it's a matter of consenting adults, and no one pressuring or coercing anyone into anything. Honestly, despite my use of labels just to try and speak in words that people can understand, I really dislike them. I feel like too often, people want a label to enforce limitations. "You said you're this, so you can't do that." It's annoying.

Oh, and the ex I mentioned earlier...he also said I was "allowed" to have sex with other women while we were married because another woman "doesn't count" as cheating and "isn't a threat." Complete with the predictable follow up of, "I wanna watch." You want to talk about DISGUST? I felt a lot of disgust with that. A whole lot. And I refused to be part of any such thing.
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