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Old 11-20-2023, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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I've long wondered how it came to be that I identify the Continental Army as "we". My ancestors didn't come here until the very late 19th century. Same for the Civil War when "we" beat the Confederacy. Although "We" beat the Axis powers in WWII because my father and all my uncles were in the service even if I wasn't even born yet.

It's a similar "we" with professional sports. I root for the Green Bay Packers even though I live on the East Coast and have only been to Wisconsin a couple of times in my life and never came close to Green Bay.

And with armed conflicts around the world, I usually pick a side I identify with more than the other. But really I have no dog in that fight, so why pick sides?

So why do I have to be part of "we" when something big happens that I am not directly involved in?
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Old 11-20-2023, 05:24 PM
 
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And with armed conflicts around the world, I usually pick a side I identify with more than the other. But really I have no dog in that fight, so why pick sides?

So why do I have to be part of "we" when something big happens that I am not directly involved in?

Quick answer...you don't.
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Old 11-20-2023, 06:40 PM
 
Location: southwestern PA
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So why do I have to be part of "we" when something big happens that I am not directly involved in?
IDK... do you not have connections with things you ARE involved in?
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Old 11-20-2023, 11:52 PM
 
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I've long wondered how it came to be that I identify the Continental Army as "we". My ancestors didn't come here until the very late 19th century. Same for the Civil War when "we" beat the Confederacy. Although "We" beat the Axis powers in WWII because my father and all my uncles were in the service even if I wasn't even born yet.

It's a similar "we" with professional sports. I root for the Green Bay Packers even though I live on the East Coast and have only been to Wisconsin a couple of times in my life and never came close to Green Bay.

And with armed conflicts around the world, I usually pick a side I identify with more than the other. But really I have no dog in that fight, so why pick sides?

So why do I have to be part of "we" when something big happens that I am not directly involved in?
My crystal ball seems to be on the fritz. Why do YOU think this is the case? Surely you know you better than "we" do. If choosing sides is ingrained in you, you might just be being lazy. You might choose sides based on which one you think will reduce conflict with friends. You might have money running on a bet. You might have been influenced by propaganda. You might have been told which side to be on. You might like a team's colors. Confluency might run in your family. You might want to try to be on the winning sides all the time.
You might not think on your own. You might be at one of the individuation stages that are proposed as existing in some doctrines.

"We" await your further self-assessment.
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Old 11-21-2023, 10:21 AM
 
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Maybe it relates to the social identity theory of psychology - the theory that individuals strive to create a positive self-concept through identifying with groups.
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Old 11-21-2023, 10:39 AM
 
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Maybe it relates to the social identity theory of psychology - the theory that individuals strive to create a positive self-concept through identifying with groups.
Social Identity Theory -- sounds reasonable. Thanks!
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Old 11-25-2023, 04:55 PM
 
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I've long wondered how it came to be that I identify the Continental Army as "we". My ancestors didn't come here until the very late 19th century. Same for the Civil War when "we" beat the Confederacy. Although "We" beat the Axis powers in WWII because my father and all my uncles were in the service even if I wasn't even born yet.

It's a similar "we" with professional sports. I root for the Green Bay Packers even though I live on the East Coast and have only been to Wisconsin a couple of times in my life and never came close to Green Bay.

And with armed conflicts around the world, I usually pick a side I identify with more than the other. But really I have no dog in that fight, so why pick sides?

So why do I have to be part of "we" when something big happens that I am not directly involved in?
You don't. See below for further details.

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And with armed conflicts around the world, I usually pick a side I identify with more than the other. But really I have no dog in that fight, so why pick sides?

So why do I have to be part of "we" when something big happens that I am not directly involved in?

Quick answer...you don't.
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Old 11-27-2023, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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You don't. See below for further details.
Thanks for the quick answer but I already got the Psychology answer I was looking for: Social Identity Theory.
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Old 11-27-2023, 08:34 AM
 
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I've long wondered how it came to be that I identify the Continental Army as "we". My ancestors didn't come here until the very late 19th century. Same for the Civil War when "we" beat the Confederacy. Although "We" beat the Axis powers in WWII because my father and all my uncles were in the service even if I wasn't even born yet.

It's a similar "we" with professional sports. I root for the Green Bay Packers even though I live on the East Coast and have only been to Wisconsin a couple of times in my life and never came close to Green Bay.

And with armed conflicts around the world, I usually pick a side I identify with more than the other. But really I have no dog in that fight, so why pick sides?

So why do I have to be part of "we" when something big happens that I am not directly involved in?
I never use 'we' in historical discussions involving the United States, even when the topic is an event which happened during my lifetime. It's presumptuous.
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Old 11-27-2023, 10:37 AM
 
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I never use 'we' in historical discussions involving the United States, even when the topic is an event which happened during my lifetime. It's presumptuous.
Interesting take.

But really, in a historical or geopolitical context it's not so much saying, as feeling "we". Again, this is the psychology forum and I'm not advocating for anything.

For example I feel some shame when thinking of white settlers in the U.S. and their treatment of Native Americans. But I don't feel any shame at all when thinking of Arab conquests in North Africa or conquests by the Mayans or the Incas in pre-Columbian times. It's just history; stuff that happened. Though I'm torn when I think of the Vikings raiding Ireland for slaves because I have both heritages.

I just find it interesting psychologically.
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