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Old 02-22-2017, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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It really depends on when the marriage ends. My uncle is a dr, got divorced in his 50s during the biggest earnings years of his solo practice. that gave her much higher alimony and other financial settlements than if he got divorced 5 years earlier. He can't make up the losses without working until 70-72 even though the skills are there. Your age is a big factor.
And she's engaged to the wealthiest accountant in the city but will never marry him just for spite.
True.

My level of existence, when single, would be quite less extravagant than it would be if married. I would be sure that if I gambled (got married) and lost, the most I would suffer is a return to my previous state, perhaps with a small profit. Since the excess was essentially for her and teh relationship, and both are gone, I would not miss it.
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Old 02-22-2017, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Crook County, Illinois
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Women have stronger influence because men allow it. When men make it clear they will not be dictated to or treated inequitably or unfairly -- and are prepared to back it up, i.e., leave the relationship and never return -- if she ignores that, the dynamic will start to change. Unfortunately, as long as neediness, weakness and sentiment override self respect, that change may take a long time for most, assuming it happens at all.
Such a movement already exists, lol. There are websites dedicated to it, but it's still considered a radical fringe movement. It's about men rejecting any and all relationships with women. I don't identify with it, since I do enjoy having women as friends, as well as a fling, if I can find one. I just refuse to get into an LTR.
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Old 02-23-2017, 04:17 PM
 
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Such a movement already exists, lol. There are websites dedicated to it, but it's still considered a radical fringe movement. It's about men rejecting any and all relationships with women. I don't identify with it, since I do enjoy having women as friends, as well as a fling, if I can find one. I just refuse to get into an LTR.
You're referring to the MGTOW which I find pretty pathetic actually. Their answer is to jerk off to porn and get out of the game. That's the worst things men can do.

What men need to do is get politically active to demonstrate how feminism has destroyed the family unit, which is the primary institution (not the government) that is supposed to raise children. Cowering in the basement all day watching pornhub isn't the answer.

As for the feminists, I just play them at their game now. I use them for what they are and move on. The "liberation" movement of women being complete sluts. I'll play the game, use them as such, and move on.
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Old 02-23-2017, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Crook County, Illinois
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As for the feminists, I just play them at their game now. I use them for what they are and move on. The "liberation" movement of women being complete sluts. I'll play the game, use them as such, and move on.
Now, this sounds like another movement. It's a colored pill derived from "Matrix". It sounds like you're familiar with it. They advocate doing exactly what you described: playing the game and moving on. Now, I don't fully agree with them, either. Some of their material is too angry and hyperbolic, and they don't recognize the notion of men and women being friends. Which I not only enjoy, but prefer to having relationships. But I do see some truth in what the movement preaches, about both men and women.
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Old 02-23-2017, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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I don't mean a mass movement; I mean individual men confronting their wives/girlfriends directly. Men who form protest groups lack the fortitude to do that, which is why they form mobs instead.

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Such a movement already exists, lol. There are websites dedicated to it, but it's still considered a radical fringe movement. It's about men rejecting any and all relationships with women. I don't identify with it, since I do enjoy having women as friends, as well as a fling, if I can find one. I just refuse to get into an LTR.
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Old 02-23-2017, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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I disagree.

Nowhere in nature, except among humans, is there such a gender imbalance in raising children. Feminism, in some ways, helps restore that balance, which was disrupted when the "modern" religions -- Judaism, Christianity Islam -- and their affiliated cultures, gained prominence in the world. Seems their male leaders had a big problem with femininity.

Unfortunately, many people, including women, cannot define what feminism is, and its purpose. I simply see it as respecting women as equals, regardless of how they choose to express themselves, and no matter how far outside the male conceptual framework that self-expression may be.

When I see I woman "acting like a man" and calling herself a feminist, I see a defeated person who has tacitly acknowledged male superiority. A true feminist can retain her femininity and still be respected, revered, obeyed, etc., no matter how girly she may be.


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You're referring to the MGTOW which I find pretty pathetic actually. Their answer is to jerk off to porn and get out of the game. That's the worst things men can do.

What men need to do is get politically active to demonstrate how feminism has destroyed the family unit, which is the primary institution (not the government) that is supposed to raise children. Cowering in the basement all day watching pornhub isn't the answer.

As for the feminists, I just play them at their game now. I use them for what they are and move on. The "liberation" movement of women being complete sluts. I'll play the game, use them as such, and move on.
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Old 02-24-2017, 09:51 PM
 
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You're referring to the MGTOW which I find pretty pathetic actually. Their answer is to jerk off to porn and get out of the game. That's the worst things men can do.

What men need to do is get politically active to demonstrate how feminism has destroyed the family unit, which is the primary institution (not the government) that is supposed to raise children. Cowering in the basement all day watching pornhub isn't the answer.

As for the feminists, I just play them at their game now. I use them for what they are and move on. The "liberation" movement of women being complete sluts. I'll play the game, use them as such, and move on.
Sounds like a pathetic movement of losers. What do you hope for such a thing to legally accomplish? Take away women's opportunity to gain economic independence? To take away their legal right to sovereignty over their own bodies? So many people do not know what feminism is but complain about it. Feminism is basically the idea that women should have the right to live the life they want to live without social stigma and legal restriction and to be treated like people instead of second class citizes. That means if a women wants to have a high powered career she can do that without shame. If she wants to go the traditional route and be a SAHM she can do that to without shame. And the men who have adjusted to this reality of women having choices to determine their own lives don't have as many problems finding decent, stable relationships with women instead of scapegoating feminism or something else as the downfall of western civilization in some type of melodramatic fashion. That's why there has been no such movement because it screams of loserdom from a bunch of guys who want to blame everything else but themselves as to why they can't find a suitable partner.
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I don't mean a mass movement; I mean individual men confronting their wives/girlfriends directly. Men who form protest groups lack the fortitude to do that, which is why they form mobs instead.
Pretty much. FWIW, I'm not sure why anyone should care if some dudes drop out of the mating game and decide to **** off to porn. It's their lives and it's not hurting society so to each its own.

But when these dudes go around blaming someone or something else for their relationship inadequacies then it is hard to have a realistic conversation with them. They seem to demand that society change its attitude just so they can get into a relationship. Sorry not going to happen.
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Old 02-25-2017, 01:12 PM
 
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Sounds like a pathetic movement of losers. What do you hope for such a thing to legally accomplish? Take away women's opportunity to gain economic independence? To take away their legal right to sovereignty over their own bodies? So many people do not know what feminism is but complain about it. Feminism is basically the idea that women should have the right to live the life they want to live without social stigma and legal restriction and to be treated like people instead of second class citizes. That means if a women wants to have a high powered career she can do that without shame. If she wants to go the traditional route and be a SAHM she can do that to without shame. And the men who have adjusted to this reality of women having choices to determine their own lives don't have as many problems finding decent, stable relationships with women instead of scapegoating feminism or something else as the downfall of western civilization in some type of melodramatic fashion. That's why there has been no such movement because it screams of loserdom from a bunch of guys who want to blame everything else but themselves as to why they can't find a suitable partner.


Pretty much. FWIW, I'm not sure why anyone should care if some dudes drop out of the mating game and decide to **** off to porn. It's their lives and it's not hurting society so to each its own.

But when these dudes go around blaming someone or something else for their relationship inadequacies then it is hard to have a realistic conversation with them. They seem to demand that society change its attitude just so they can get into a relationship. Sorry not going to happen.
Your second paragraph contradicts your first paragraph. When you get a lot of men dropping out of the mating game and **** to porn, it is harmful to society, for the reasons you stated in the 2nd paragraph, and probably a lot of others. In general, single men (on average) tend to be less happy & less healthy, which is not good for society.
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Old 02-25-2017, 01:16 PM
 
Location: El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles del Río Porciúncula
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In general, single men (on average) tend to be less happy & less healthy, which is not good for society.
You could tattoo that on my forehead! No, RLY, my single biggest personal life goal is to find my perfect significant other. All I care is that she's fun to be with, makes me laugh, and that we compliment each other in a synergistic way that together we can enjoy everything that the future brings us.

About the only thing "men dropping out of the mating game and **** to porn" accomplishes is to minimize population growth. That's a great way to save the world. (I'm being sarcastic.) It's a great way to have NO life.

There is a reason why tab A fits into slot B.
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Old 02-25-2017, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Middle of the ocean
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Your second paragraph contradicts your first paragraph. When you get a lot of men dropping out of the mating game and **** to porn, it is harmful to society, for the reasons you stated in the 2nd paragraph, and probably a lot of others. In general, single men (on average) tend to be less happy & less healthy, which is not good for society.


Men with this mindset seem to think they are more important than they are.

For every man who drops out, 20 fill the void.

Honestly, no one cares. If I dropped out the dating game, no one would care. (Yeah, I'm married so don't date!)

It's not a noticeable amount of the "movement". It's a bunch of guys to lazy to even meet in person, so they yammer in the virtual world.
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