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Old 01-14-2015, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte
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Remember not all mangroves are really Mangroves. The pepper tree(plant) is very prevalent and looks similar but the leaves smell like pepper these plants are invasive and we are encouraged to remove them. The bark is dark, whereas, the mangrove is gray and blotted with darker gray
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Old 01-14-2015, 06:43 PM
 
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Remember not all mangroves are really Mangroves. The pepper tree(plant) is very prevalent and looks similar but the leaves smell like pepper these plants are invasive and we are encouraged to remove them. The bark is dark, whereas, the mangrove is gray and blotted with darker gray
except the bark of the black mangrove is dark. This is the mangrove that is farthest from the water. Large black mangroves can look more like a tree (large trunk) than red or white mangroves. Then there is the buttonwood which can be cut shorter than 6' but cannot be killed.

Also if your lot width along the water is more than 150 linear ft, then you can only trim 65% of the mangroves.

Also about trimming them to 6'. I think the rule is you can do this if they are currently less than x feet. Where I don't remember what x feet is...maybe 17 feet. So you can trim them no shorter than 6 ft IF they are no taller than 17 ft. If they are something like between 17 and 22 ft tall today, then you have to trim them at different times to get them down to 6 foot because it's risky to kill the plant if you cut it that much at one trimming. If they are taller than either 22 or 23 feet than they aren't supposed to be trimmed

I might have some of the numbers above off slightly. I am typing from memory.
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Old 01-14-2015, 09:01 PM
 
Location: P.C.F
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Only Mangroves ARE Mangroves..
As for the Mangroves leaves, once you learn to recognize them they are unmistakable.. they look nothing like Brazilan Pepper or Button Wood.. This link from a previous post it an excellent tutorial .. shows pictures of the leaves of all 3 Mangroves and Button Wood and Brazilian Pepper http://manatee.ifas.ufl.edu/seagrant...Guidelines.pdf
I read every word of that document and then made my call and talked with Tim.. Removal of the peppers is incouraged HOWEVER.. do not damage Mangroves in the process!!$$ .. Sware2cod has his numbers pretty close and I commend his memory.. But if this subject really interest you or your looking to purchase waterfront where tree type vegetation exist? I suggest , spending some time at the link and giving Tim a call..
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Old 01-15-2015, 12:01 PM
 
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I thought the city managed and maintained the seawalls..Wouldnt they be responsible for keeping plants from invading the sea wall?
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Old 01-15-2015, 01:07 PM
 
Location: P.C.F
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It would appear to me, as others have said, the only place you will ever see Mangroves establish themselves is in areas that lack seawall or in heavily silted areas aka corners etc etc . The " 8-10" seed pods" float in a verticle position, just drifting along until the water is shallow enough for them to touch bottom.
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I thought the city managed and maintained the seawalls..Wouldnt they be responsible for keeping plants from invading the sea wall?
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Old 01-15-2015, 01:51 PM
 
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I thought the city managed and maintained the seawalls..Wouldnt they be responsible for keeping plants from invading the sea wall?
About two months ago I stopped out at the Dept. of Public Works and talked to the person in charge of seawalls. I was advised that the city does not remove vegetation that grows next to seawalls. They want no part of removing mangroves.
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Old 09-07-2017, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Illinois / Gulf Cove
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I know old post but, I would like to know thoughts of what the reduced value of a lot that has mangroves over six feet tall extending about 5 feet out int the canal. Oh and it is also home to a Gopher tortoise.

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Old 09-07-2017, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte, FL - Pasadena, People's Republic of Maryland
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Value wise, I can't help. But I can say this: I have three friends who had mangroves along their waterfronts (all 3 in P.C.). All three had to wait over a year for seawall permits and according to the three the waits were due to the mangroves.
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Old 09-07-2017, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Punta Gorda
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I know old post but, I would like to know thoughts of what the reduced value of a lot that has mangroves over six feet tall extending about 5 feet out int the canal. Oh and it is also home to a Gopher tortoise.

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Dave
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Old 09-09-2017, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte
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Talked with a family that had bought a lot with old ramp overgrown with mangroves. $40K in permit costs to remove the mangroves even if approved, which was not assured.
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