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Old 06-27-2014, 05:12 PM
 
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Old 06-27-2014, 06:41 PM
 
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Hopefully it'll be a great number of years before you experience the tropical stuff!
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Old 07-02-2014, 01:31 PM
 
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This thread may be days old but after I read h.d. mitchell's post I had to reply. Warning: A lot of you disagree with him/her. This reply agrees with him/her. You won't like what I have to say, and I don't care. I've lived here longer than a lot of you retired folks. I've experienced the underbelly h.d. alludes to. Y'all need to experience the city/county beyond your marina or dry dock. THEN tell people about "the real Florida". Pft. As if.

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I'll introduce myself first, so you know where I'm coming from. I'm 29 years old and I live with my fiance and our pets. We're from western Pennsylvania and don't have an exciting night life.
Bam! First line and I already have something to support! I'm going to assume mitchell is male at this point, and will refer to the user as male until they clarify. No offence is meant! Anyway, he's on the younger side. Try being below 30 years of age and living here. I met a 26 year old a couple months back who just moved here from . . . where-the-****-ever, and I informed him he made a mistake. Mitchell sais he chooses not to have a night-life. A wise choice. Because one does not simply have a night-life in Charlotte County. Don't play with me.

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We relocated last year because I got a job in Punta Gorda. There aren't any places to rent in Punta Gorda, so we moved to Port Charlotte, which is right across the beautiful bridge. $700/month will get you a dumpy house in a less than ideal area. We pay $800/month (a steal for our house--3 beds and two baths with a great yard) and $800 is where most houses start. From there, it goes up.
I don't know too much about house economics, but I know in Long Island overall rent and utilities are cheap as fuark. Pretty much all of Charlotte County is "dumpy", unless you can afford the few gated communities that exist like Punta Gorda Isles or something.

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Punta Gorda is very different from Port Charlotte. There isn't much in Punta Gorda. There's a very small historic district. If you like the 80s and like slightly run-down buildings, this area is perfect for you. If you like charming, historical buildings, this area is not for you, unless one street is enough.
PG is different from PC in that the former has a shred of actual things to do other than hang at the library, do drugs, get into crime or become an overall degenerate and strain on the community. It seems that PG has the activities, while PC has the real estate . . . which isn't anything to write home about as explained above. He's both right and wrong about the historic district. There are a few historic buildings, but the district itself isn't that large. What? It's like two miles to the right of the bridge (incoming from Port Charlotte)? Yeah, that's a district alright. The 80s buildings are along the highway, the run-down buildings are more into the city proper. He's accurate in that the main street (Marion Ave?) has all the urban-ish buildings, which is, if I remember correctly, a parking complex, a glorified restaurant strip, and some museum no one ever visits.

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Port Charlotte is a big city. The population doubles in October when the snow birds arrive. It's not a paradise--it's a big city with a lot of homeless people, areas where you don't want to go at night, and tons of traffic. Also, it's hot. I know, I know...it's Florida. It's in the high 80s from March through November. Don't believe these "climate averages" you see online. You will stand at your house getting your keys out and start sweating profusely in April. It's very very humid, too, and it doesn't cool down at night. It's still very hot and humid.
Big city? Yes, and no. Maybe population-wise, but not in the urban life sense. I refer to it as a town sometimes. Homeless people? I see them, but not often. Then again, I don't go looking for them, nor do I get out much these days. They mostly keep to themselves. I was exploring one day and found one of their camps deep into some woods. Like bobcats-live-here deep, fellahs.

As far as the heat, yes. The heat I can tollerate. I handled it in Basic like a bouse. It's the humidity. I just got back from running an errand. The windows were down and, even with a breeze and the car moving, my back began to "sweat" within minutes -- literally minutes -- of getting into the vehicle. I'm fine with heat, but moisture I don't do. Mitch is again correct. Night-time is hit-or-miss. The nights do get more comfortable, but they're still somewhat humid. During the winter or early spring it might balance out, but summer? Faget abut et!

Traffic is a thing during universal lunchtime (1200 - 1400), closing time (1700 - 1900; song title drop!) and weekends. It does double during snowbird season. On top of the slow drivers that live here, you deal with their Canadian cousins. It's always when I have an errand to run they come out of the woodwork. "Hey, Gigano is driving! Better get ready!" It's a conspiracy I tell ya!

Areas I wouldn't go to at night? Eh, I don't know about that. Then again, I don't hang around degenerates nor do I go looking for trouble. I will say that crime is growing here.

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There's a lot of crime here. Breaking and entering, assault, theft. Our neighbor's car was stolen from her driveway--one of many car thefts that have happened in the last few months--but when we talked to the police (new to the area) they said this kind of thing never happens. We were lied to. There are a lot of sex offenders-violent ones. If you're thinking about the Golden Girls and their way of life, this couldn't be further from it. When we pulled in with our U-Haul, there were three cop cars on our street with a few guys hand-cuffed to the ground. And we live in one of the "nicer" streets. There was also a shooting about 250 feet from our house.
There isn't a lot of crime here . . . yet. But I will tell you that it's becoming a problem with each day that passes. Breaking and entering, assault and theft (armed and otherwise) are the most famous crimes here, along with grand theft auto. How do I know this? I went to school with the kids that do this ****. I know one who just got out of jail for grand theft auto and something else. Know another guy doing time for drug trafficking. Haha. I might know the guy who stole your neighbours car, Mitchell!

Sex offenders I can't speak for, but they're around (just like everywhere else). Honestly, your concerns should be more focused on theft and theft-related violence instead of sex offences, in my opinion. As I know plenty of thieves in this area, like I already said.

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Schools aren't good. Some are rated "A" schools, but they are terrible compared to those in the north. I'm not sure what they are comparing them to.
Don't get me started on the schools. You know what? I'm not even going to. Mitch is right, but I encourage everyone who might be thinking schools in Charlotte County as "A Rated" to try a couple out. Please do, and inform me of the results so I can have something to laugh at on those days when I'm feeling down.

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As far as amenities go...if you love McDonalds and chain restaurants, you're in luck. They're everywhere. If you want local, you'll pay $50 for a meal for two. Oh, and don't bother going out for dinner during snow-bird season if you don't want to wait for a table for an hour.
True. I wouldn't say good eats cost that much, but good luck getting a table quickly during snowbird season. These aren't really issues for me, simply because I won't shop somewhere I don't like. Just felt like confirming Mitchell's observation as truth.

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Also consider the cost for registering your car--a $500 fee for each vehicle. Make sure you include that in your moving fund.
Sounds about right.

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Some people love it here, but those people only live here for a few months out of the year. Those who live here full-time, well, let's just say I haven't seen the paradise they're cheering about. I realize that I may sound paranoid and understimulated, but I thought I'd give you a fair warning.
That's about right. I know a Jamaican family who bought land here in 19-whatever. Sold the house they had in New York City because their retarded children were too lazy and too inept to live on their own. Now, not a day goes by where the family matriarch doesn't regret her decision to sell the house. This is a retirement-aged woman, mind you. Kind of what the state (this county specifically) is/are known for. Make of that what you will.

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Sarasota is a nice area, and Venice is nice. If I had to do it all over again, I would never move to Florida.
You have no idea. I don't blame you for going where the work is (something your detractors failed to read) in this economy. You can't **** around with jobs these days. I don't always feel sympathy, but when I do it's for people who, more or less, had to make a decision they wouldn't have if the circumstances were different.

You're still young yet. I'm with you though. Florida is a no-go, especially this county.
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Old 07-03-2014, 03:51 AM
 
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There's one thing I've learned about US41. It runs both north and south. Same road that brought ya' here will take ya' out.
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Old 07-03-2014, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte
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We live in PC, and the neighborhood is not 'dumpy' just typical Florida 70's. you want a Macmansion stucco Mediterranean, go right ahead. This suits our life style. Have learned over the years not to get 'house-poor'. By the end of the year, we will not have a house payment, will be paid off.

Big crime spree in our neighborhood was when a neighbor got her bike stole.

Compare the crime here to NY, Detroit, New Orleans, etc. I am not afraid to walk after dark, etc.

I agree with Messing. Highways run both ways.
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Old 07-03-2014, 10:07 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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This thread may be days old but after I read h.d. mitchell's post I had to reply. Warning: A lot of you disagree with him/her. This reply agrees with him/her. You won't like what I have to say, and I don't care. I've lived here longer than a lot of you retired folks. I've experienced the underbelly h.d. alludes to. Y'all need to experience the city/county beyond your marina or dry dock. THEN tell people about "the real Florida". Pft. As if.

Bam! First line and I already have something to support! I'm going to assume mitchell is male at this point, and will refer to the user as male until they clarify. No offence is meant! Anyway, he's on the younger side. Try being below 30 years of age and living here. I met a 26 year old a couple months back who just moved here from . . . where-the-****-ever, and I informed him he made a mistake. Mitchell sais he chooses not to have a night-life. A wise choice. Because one does not simply have a night-life in Charlotte County. Don't play with me.

I don't know too much about house economics, but I know in Long Island overall rent and utilities are cheap as fuark. Pretty much all of Charlotte County is "dumpy", unless you can afford the few gated communities that exist like Punta Gorda Isles or something.


PG is different from PC in that the former has a shred of actual things to do other than hang at the library, do drugs, get into crime or become an overall degenerate and strain on the community. It seems that PG has the activities, while PC has the real estate . . . which isn't anything to write home about as explained above. He's both right and wrong about the historic district. There are a few historic buildings, but the district itself isn't that large. What? It's like two miles to the right of the bridge (incoming from Port Charlotte)? Yeah, that's a district alright. The 80s buildings are along the highway, the run-down buildings are more into the city proper. He's accurate in that the main street (Marion Ave?) has all the urban-ish buildings, which is, if I remember correctly, a parking complex, a glorified restaurant strip, and some museum no one ever visits.


Big city? Yes, and no. Maybe population-wise, but not in the urban life sense. I refer to it as a town sometimes. Homeless people? I see them, but not often. Then again, I don't go looking for them, nor do I get out much these days. They mostly keep to themselves. I was exploring one day and found one of their camps deep into some woods. Like bobcats-live-here deep, fellahs.

As far as the heat, yes. The heat I can tollerate. I handled it in Basic like a bouse. It's the humidity. I just got back from running an errand. The windows were down and, even with a breeze and the car moving, my back began to "sweat" within minutes -- literally minutes -- of getting into the vehicle. I'm fine with heat, but moisture I don't do. Mitch is again correct. Night-time is hit-or-miss. The nights do get more comfortable, but they're still somewhat humid. During the winter or early spring it might balance out, but summer? Faget abut et!

Traffic is a thing during universal lunchtime (1200 - 1400), closing time (1700 - 1900; song title drop!) and weekends. It does double during snowbird season. On top of the slow drivers that live here, you deal with their Canadian cousins. It's always when I have an errand to run they come out of the woodwork. "Hey, Gigano is driving! Better get ready!" It's a conspiracy I tell ya!

Areas I wouldn't go to at night? Eh, I don't know about that. Then again, I don't hang around degenerates nor do I go looking for trouble. I will say that crime is growing here.


There isn't a lot of crime here . . . yet. But I will tell you that it's becoming a problem with each day that passes. Breaking and entering, assault and theft (armed and otherwise) are the most famous crimes here, along with grand theft auto. How do I know this? I went to school with the kids that do this ****. I know one who just got out of jail for grand theft auto and something else. Know another guy doing time for drug trafficking. Haha. I might know the guy who stole your neighbours car, Mitchell!

Sex offenders I can't speak for, but they're around (just like everywhere else). Honestly, your concerns should be more focused on theft and theft-related violence instead of sex offences, in my opinion. As I know plenty of thieves in this area, like I already said.


Don't get me started on the schools. You know what? I'm not even going to. Mitch is right, but I encourage everyone who might be thinking schools in Charlotte County as "A Rated" to try a couple out. Please do, and inform me of the results so I can have something to laugh at on those days when I'm feeling down.


True. I wouldn't say good eats cost that much, but good luck getting a table quickly during snowbird season. These aren't really issues for me, simply because I won't shop somewhere I don't like. Just felt like confirming Mitchell's observation as truth.


Sounds about right.


That's about right. I know a Jamaican family who bought land here in 19-whatever. Sold the house they had in New York City because their retarded children were too lazy and too inept to live on their own. Now, not a day goes by where the family matriarch doesn't regret her decision to sell the house. This is a retirement-aged woman, mind you. Kind of what the state (this county specifically) is/are known for. Make of that what you will.


You have no idea. I don't blame you for going where the work is (something your detractors failed to read) in this economy. You can't **** around with jobs these days. I don't always feel sympathy, but when I do it's for people who, more or less, had to make a decision they wouldn't have if the circumstances were different.

You're still young yet. I'm with you though. Florida is a no-go, especially this county.
I won't presume to speak for anyone else who reads your post, but I will say that it's my firm belief that everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and their own perspective on any topic, be it the quality of life in Charlotte County, or anything else. And I've been around for quite a few years, taken some knocks as most of us do throughout life- AND have lived in Florida for 40 years,- property owners in PG since 1996 (NOT in PGI) so I'm a little familiar with the vicissitudes of living in the area. I can even understand it would be difficult to live in this area: 1) if I were young and expected more night life and other activities, or were used to the big city, 2) if my resources or lack of same, or work, possibly, exposed me constantly to the "underbelly" of the area, although I would point out that this "underbelly" will be found nearly anywhere you go, due to a number of reasons including the state of the economy. That's just life. I might also point out that such experiences will color an individual's perception of the area, that's to be expected, but a mature individual will realize that this IS his perception and the area may have other attributes that are attractive to many, and might be to him too if he were in a position to enjoy them.And a mature individual would not take offense when others point out their own positive experiences in an area, or disagree with him about his characterization of the area based on his own experiences.

I also know that we make our choices, and whether or not they turn out to be good or bad, we still have to live with the consequences, and its not productive to blame everyone and everything except our own
judgment. We've all made choices that we later regretted, but the mature way to handle the consequences to those choices is to admit it's up to us to do what we can to change the circumstances, if that's living in a small town we hate, even if we got there because we needed the job it offered ( and IMO most folks in this situation would have done the same), we'd look to seeing where else we might be happy, and doing what we needed to make that change.

And until someone in that situation makes those changes, if it makes him feel better to visit a forum about the area to vent his frustrations, so be it. But the nature of such forums is the give and take of opposing ideas and opinions. So it's mighty foolish for that individual to take offense when others also post their perceptions of the area, based on their own observations and positive experiences, or even disputes the blanket assessment of the area this individual has posted. When the individual goes further and claims that those who disagree with him make him hate the state/area even more, and that they must be rich retirees who only know from their docks and boats, well, IMO that might suggest that at least part of the problem with the individual's dissatisfaction with the area might be his own attitude.

So all that said, if you aren't happy with this area, what are your plans to change it?
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Old 07-03-2014, 02:38 PM
 
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And a mature individual would not take offense when others point out their own positive experiences in an area, or disagree with him about his characterization of the area based on his own experiences.
Hm. Either you can't read well (confused me for your boat-buyin' buddies), or you punched this out while barely paying attention. It's as if you should be saying this to everyone else who jumped on mitchell for his observations. Because, you know, it's not like the hate for the PC-PG detractors is what motivate me to write a reply in the first place. Oh, no. I wrote it because I was bored and had nothing better to do. Yup.
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Old 07-03-2014, 06:46 PM
 
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Hm. Either you can't read well (confused me for your boat-buyin' buddies), or you punched this out while barely paying attention. It's as if you should be saying this to everyone else who jumped on mitchell for his observations. Because, you know, it's not like the hate for the PC-PG detractors is what motivate me to write a reply in the first place. Oh, no. I wrote it because I was bored and had nothing better to do. Yup.
No, but you were referencing the poster whose name you mention in your previous post, partially in response to what he said, and apparently taking to task other posters who responded to what he said a few days ago. My post was in response to that. Apparently it went over your head.

That's fine, to each his own..... sounds like you need to join your buddy in growing up some....
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Old 07-03-2014, 08:36 PM
 
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Just remember: you all are 80 in January. Puts you way ahead of most of the country.
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Old 07-04-2014, 06:57 AM
 
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Just remember: you all are 80 in January. Puts you way ahead of most of the country.
That's not true while there are many people down here in their 80's I believe most of the posters here are much younger.

Gary
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