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Old 11-24-2010, 05:27 PM
 
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You're really trying to compare those to driving drunk? Really? I don't even need to get into that one.
A mistake is a mistake.

Last edited by Green Irish Eyes; 11-24-2010 at 05:35 PM.. Reason: Please discuss the topic, not each other.
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Old 11-24-2010, 06:01 PM
 
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A mistake is a mistake.
I tried to stay out of this but can't after the last few post.

Many people are killed in traffic accidents because someone made a
mistake like not seeing a stop sign, crossing a center line accidentally,
not seeing a car and turning into their path.

The result can take a life but they are accidents.... Someone very close to me died this year due to an accident that was another drivers fault. Forgiveness
came quickly..This driver was devastated also..

Being sloppy drunk and deciding to speed down a street and killing
a person is murder & the law supports this statement.
It was careless disregard for another's life....

A mistake is a mistake ?????? Do child predators just make mistakes because they are sick ?? Please....
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Old 11-24-2010, 07:38 PM
 
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I tried to stay out of this but can't after the last few post.

Many people are killed in traffic accidents because someone made a
mistake like not seeing a stop sign, crossing a center line accidentally,
not seeing a car and turning into their path.

The result can take a life but they are accidents.... Someone very close to me died this year due to an accident that was another drivers fault. Forgiveness
came quickly..This driver was devastated also..

Being sloppy drunk and deciding to speed down a street and killing
a person is murder & the law supports this statement.
It was careless disregard for another's life....

A mistake is a mistake ?????? Do child predators just make mistakes because they are sick ?? Please....
The law doesn't support that at all. For it to be murder there must be intent or an understanding that one's actions could harm or kill someone. You can not tell me that someone with a .22 BAC took action that they thought might harm a person. They are not thinking straight. I think Dr Cook should do a couple of years for what he did. I'm just saying he is NOT a murderer.
As far as the child molester comparison, get a life.
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Old 11-24-2010, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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The law doesn't support that at all. For it to be murder there must be intent or an understanding that one's actions could harm or kill someone.
Oh, but the law DOES support that. Go back and re-read post #35 in this thread. Be sure to follow the link in that post as well.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/16753872-post35.html


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You can not tell me that someone with a .22 BAC took action that they thought might harm a person. They are not thinking straight. I think Dr Cook should do a couple of years for what he did. I'm just saying he is NOT a murderer.
We've already gone through all this. If he suddenly developed a case of the .22 BAC blues what you are saying would make sense. But he didn't. He drank his way to that point. His disregard for other human life and what constitutes murder is the fact that he had prior knowledge of what might happen if he were to drive after the consumption of alcohol. He made the decision while sober to continue to drink and not plan for a ride home. In fact, he had been cut off at the bar so all he really had to do was ask for them to arrange a cab ride home for him. But he chose not to do so.
The only way people could not understand this is if they have never been drunk in their life. I've been so drunk in my earlier years to the point of almost passing out. However, I still knew the consequences of driving drunk. Did I choose not to drive drunk because of the impact it might have had on others? No, I was drunk and didn't care about anyone else. However, I did care enough about myself to not want to suffer either legal consequences or injury. Cook just didn't care about anything and that, in my opinion, makes him a POS.
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Old 11-24-2010, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Wake County
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How do you know he has a disease? How do you know this isn't his first time going out drinking?

AND YES IT IS HIS FAULT. HE IS A PIECE OF $#!+ WHO MAKES CARELESS DECISIONS ABOUT HIS OWN LIFE AND ENDED UP TAKING SOMEONE ELSE'S!
Rage much?

I don't know he has the disease. Do you know he doesn't? I'm not trying to make excuses for him. Everyone makes mistakes...not all of those mistakes result in someone's death. I've made a couple of my own that could have, but I was fortunate...one more thing to be thankful for.

Your anger doesn't help anyone (except maybe you...but I doubt it). I doubt that young woman is looking down upon him with rage, for she is in a better place than we are. I imagine her parents would rather we hold compassion in our hearts for her, and not let our anger for him overshadow HER life.

Happy Thanksgiving!
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Old 11-24-2010, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Your anger doesn't help anyone (except maybe you...but I doubt it).
My anger towards drunk drivers that has been read in this thread might save a life one day if just one person who has read it remembers it and decides to call a cab instead of driving drunk.
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Old 11-24-2010, 08:56 PM
 
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I'm sure Dr. Cook didn't mean to injure, let alone kill, anyone. His intent was not to do that. But he did commit vehicular homicide as a direct result of his actions. I personally don't think this crime rises to the level of 2nd degree murder, however, I'm sure the state is going for it because a jury may decide to convict on the lesser (but included) vehicular homicide charge. They want to cover all their bases and try for the maximum conviction possible.

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Old 11-24-2010, 09:16 PM
 
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The law doesn't support that at all. For it to be murder there must be intent or an understanding that one's actions could harm or kill someone. You can not tell me that someone with a .22 BAC took action that they thought might harm a person. They are not thinking straight. I think Dr Cook should do a couple of years for what he did. I'm just saying he is NOT a murderer.
As far as the child molester comparison, get a life.

Yes he is a murderer, just because you don't intend on killing someone and you do doesn't give you a pass in regards to murder.

What he did is the same as firing a gun into a crowd, then crying saying you didn't mean to hit anyone.

A dentist in Tampa, FL drove drunk and reckless killing two young people who were walking on a sidewalk leaving their jobs and walking to a parking structure to get in their cars. Both of them( a young man and woman were just finishing up their education at the University of Tampa). The young man was hit so hard he ended up going over the bridge.

Did the dentist intend on killing them that night? No he didn't , but he did and it is murder. A car is a deadly weapon and when the driver is fueled with alcohol and/or drugs, it is not an "accident".

This same dentist was given a ticket for reckless driving only 10 days prior for doing 90mph in a 55mph zone.
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Old 11-24-2010, 09:44 PM
 
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Did the dentist intend on killing them that night? No he didn't , but he did and it is murder.
It might not rise to the necessary burden to prove murder, based on the language and interpretation of the law. But it most certainly meets a 'vehicular homicide' charge. And yes, there is a difference.
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Old 11-24-2010, 10:09 PM
 
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Rage much?

I don't know he has the disease. Do you know he doesn't? I'm not trying to make excuses for him. Everyone makes mistakes...not all of those mistakes result in someone's death. I've made a couple of my own that could have, but I was fortunate...one more thing to be thankful for.

Your anger doesn't help anyone (except maybe you...but I doubt it). I doubt that young woman is looking down upon him with rage, for she is in a better place than we are. I imagine her parents would rather we hold compassion in our hearts for her, and not let our anger for him overshadow HER life.

Happy Thanksgiving!
I love it when people say "they're in a better place", a 20 yr old woman is robbed, yes robbed, of quite possibly 50 or 60 years of life and you make a comment like that.

Maybe you would like to trade places with her?

And you don't know her parents, so you have no right to say how they should feel. If they choose to forgive so be it, if they choose to be angry that is fine as well.

There is nothing worse than a parent burying a child, and when it is due to someone's reckless and drunk behavior it makes it unbearable.
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