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Old 02-26-2011, 02:23 PM
 
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What bs. I wouldn't give this loser the time of day. In a high stress highly dangerous situation what does he want...a martini and a back massage? Typical playing the race game to make some money.
Please define how he is a loser! All he did was go to the bank and for that he gets clearly unwarranted verbal abuse or can you justify that along with the physical roughing up? Do you think real criminals should be treated this way?
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Old 02-26-2011, 02:26 PM
 
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Exactly! Anyone posting here with "Ooh, so typical, he's playing the RACE card" seriously needs to examine their own thoughts, beliefs, and prejudices regarding race.

Only a person with racist thoughts and tendencies would look at a situation where a victim is treated like a criminal based on his race and decry the VICTIM as racist. Pathetic.
Not only that but the police had a description of the suspect including red pants and dreadlocks. I guess the moral of the story might be that if you see a White person being mugged by a Black person and you are Black get out of their ASAP because if you try to help and the police shoot you and you live folks will accuse you of playing the race card when you complain.
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Old 02-26-2011, 02:29 PM
 
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OK -some people seem to be missing an obvious point here, it is not unknown for bank robbers to have an accomplice among the bank patrons posing as a customer.
Their job is to get into a position where they can assist the main offender should police enter the bank e.g. shoot the attending officers.
For that reason alone they would have treated him robustly. That is why the officers stand off outside the bank
Cussing at them as they do it? Telling them to shut the F up and injuring them? He had his hands up! So the reason for identying HIM as a suspect and not others was? Seems a lesson to be learned might be that if you want to rob a bank in Cary and do it with an accomplice get someone of another race. Hmmm if the indentified robber was White would the other White folks in the bank have been treated this way? Hmmmmm!
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Old 02-26-2011, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Cussing at them as they do it? Telling them to shut the F up and injuring them? He had his hands up! So the reason for identying HIM as a suspect and not others was? Seems a lesson to be learned might be that if you want to rob a bank in Cary and do it with an accomplice get someone of another race. Hmmm if the indentified robber was White would the other White folks in the bank have been treated this way? Hmmmmm!
WEll I was just making a point about the reasons why cops dont always believe what they are told under these type of circumstances, I wasn't excusing their alleged misbehavior at all. Circumstances such as these are high-action adrenaline fueled events where you can't always 'Sir' or "ma'am' everyone. The object of the exercise is to minimize harm or loss whilst dealing with the offender(s)
It's a life and death situation where, unfortunately, some people are inconvenienced, upset or dealt with robustly
I'm sure an investigation will uncover whether there was any unnecessary force used or officers otherwise behaved inappropriately
Instead of using physical force, they could have stuck a shotgun up his nose, to ensure compliance
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Old 02-26-2011, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Why do we want to try, convict and sentence people before we know all the facts. This will make national headlines again. Do we really want to look as ignorant as we did a few years ago?
This also means we don't immediately accuse someone of "playing the race card" when they file a complaint, right?
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Old 02-26-2011, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Downtown Durham, NC
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This also means we don't immediately accuse someone of "playing the race card" when they file a complaint, right?
We have a winner.
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Old 02-26-2011, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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We have a winner.
I second your vote!

Mike
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Old 02-26-2011, 06:44 PM
 
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WEll I was just making a point about the reasons why cops dont always believe what they are told under these type of circumstances, I wasn't excusing their alleged misbehavior at all. Circumstances such as these are high-action adrenaline fueled events where you can't always 'Sir' or "ma'am' everyone. The object of the exercise is to minimize harm or loss whilst dealing with the offender(s)
It's a life and death situation where, unfortunately, some people are inconvenienced, upset or dealt with robustly
I'm sure an investigation will uncover whether there was any unnecessary force used or officers otherwise behaved inappropriately
Instead of using physical force, they could have stuck a shotgun up his nose, to ensure compliance
How did he not comply?
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Old 02-26-2011, 06:48 PM
 
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Yes. We are not in his shoes and only he knows if he really thinks it was a racist attack or not. To judge him or to judge the police without having full knowledge of all the facts and communication is wrong.
By filing a complaint he is giving the city and police force the opportunity to explain why and how they responded the way they did. If they are unable to do so he perhaps will take another step. The police department has procedures and guidelines. The behavior of the officers that day will be judged against them. At this point the benchmark is the established procedures of the police department. The officers will be judged against their own departmental standards at this point.
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Old 02-26-2011, 06:51 PM
 
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WEll I was just making a point about the reasons why cops dont always believe what they are told under these type of circumstances, I wasn't excusing their alleged misbehavior at all. Circumstances such as these are high-action adrenaline fueled events where you can't always 'Sir' or "ma'am' everyone. The object of the exercise is to minimize harm or loss whilst dealing with the offender(s)
It's a life and death situation where, unfortunately, some people are inconvenienced, upset or dealt with robustly
I'm sure an investigation will uncover whether there was any unnecessary force used or officers otherwise behaved inappropriately
Instead of using physical force, they could have stuck a shotgun up his nose, to ensure compliance
Police are trained to react properly in times of "high-action adrenaline fueled events." The police didn't treat any other hostage in the same manner as they did with the reverend. And he was not merely "inconvenienced." He was injured to the point of needing medical attention.

The main point is this: what made the police treat this man differently than they treated all the other hostages?
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