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A budget was issued and that number has to be worked with. Why not cut administration, or stop building such "upscale" appearing schools? Teachers are the reason the administration and schools exist, yet they get the hammer and the education beaurocracy remains. This is not a tax issue, it is bloat issue.
Students are the reason teachers exist, and if you tax the parents enough they leave.
North Carolina spending per public: $6900
Average SAT score: 1004
$/SAT point: 0.15
Alabama spending per public: $7070
Average SAT score: 1119
$/SAT point: 0.16
Mississippi spending per public: $6550
Average SAT score: 1117
$/SAT point: 0.17
So looks like Alabama and Mississippi do more with their dollars already...and have SAT scores 10%+ higher than NC. So maybe NC should strive to be like them?
On a side note, the best performing state was UT:
Utah spending per public: $5200
Average SAT score: 1114
$/SAT point: 0.21
Maybe it's not the $$ that matters, maybe it's who lives in the state? "You can't fix stupid". Believe it or not most of the NE states actually have fairly low average SAT scores. Seems the midwest is the best, a brief view of the stats on this web site show the midwest having much higher SAT scores than both coasts (WI scores are 20% higher than NC for example). You can't change the citizens attitude toward life/school/etc and throwing more money at the problem won't change it.
Of course average SAT score is lower in the states where a (much) higher percentage of students take the test.
The bottom line stat that you point to is actually SAT point per $, not $ per SAT point. Wonder what would happen to that calculation if not taking the SAT equates to getting a score of 0 (my methodology may be wrong - I only scored a 1280 on the SAT 28 years ago - so feel free to correct me):
North Carolina spending per public: $6900
Average SAT score: 1004
% Taking Test: 71
Adjusted Average SAT score (1004*0.71): 712.84
SAT point/$ (all students): 0.103
Alabama spending per public: $7070
Average SAT score: 1119
% Taking Test: 9
Adjusted Average SAT score (1119*0.09): 100.53
SAT point/$ (all students): 0.006
Mississippi spending per public: $6550
Average SAT score: 1117
% Taking Test: 4
Adjusted Average SAT score (1117*0.04): 44.76
SAT point/$ (all students): 0.015
I'm not sure I would like to emulate a state where 96% of graduates aren't even trying to go to college, and it looks like Alabama is really blowing their money. This doesn't take into account the students who take ACT instead of SAT, but I'm going to assume that rate is about equal in all states.
Of course average SAT score is lower in the states where a (much) higher percentage of students take the test.
The bottom line stat that you point to is actually SAT point per $, not $ per SAT point. Wonder what would happen to that calculation if not taking the SAT equates to getting a score of 0 (my methodology may be wrong - I only scored a 1280 on the SAT 28 years ago - so feel free to correct me):
North Carolina spending per public: $6900
Average SAT score: 1004
% Taking Test: 71
Adjusted Average SAT score (1004*0.71): 712.84
SAT point/$ (all students): 0.103
Alabama spending per public: $7070
Average SAT score: 1119
% Taking Test: 9
Adjusted Average SAT score (1119*0.09): 100.53
SAT point/$ (all students): 0.006
Mississippi spending per public: $6550
Average SAT score: 1117
% Taking Test: 4
Adjusted Average SAT score (1117*0.04): 44.76
SAT point/$ (all students): 0.015
I'm not sure I would like to emulate a state where 96% of graduates aren't even trying to go to college, and it looks like Alabama is really blowing their money. This doesn't take into account the students who take ACT instead of SAT, but I'm going to assume that rate is about equal in all states.
Thank you for beating me to it and posting this. Limiting the percentage of students taking the test is one of the best ways to increase scores.
You also have to consider ACT participation rates as many states West of the Mississippi have that as their primary test. So while Utah has a low SAT participation rate they have a very high ACT participation rate. North Carolina only has a 16% ACT participation rate. It is dangerous to try to simplify some things. http://www.cpec.ca.gov/StudentData/50StateACTScores.asp
You need to do your own comparisions as this is the Carolina forum
Seems the midwest is the best, a brief view of the stats on this web site show the midwest having much higher SAT scores than both coasts (WI scores are 20% higher than NC for example).
Be careful with statistics. I don't know if things have changed, but when I grew up in the midwest, everyone took the ACT, and the kids who were considering out of state colleges (tending to be the better students) also or instead took the SAT. May or may not be true today, but if you know nothing about the pool of test-takers on which the statistics are based, you can't really interpret the statistics in any meaningful way.
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The terminating contract... Got me .. Oh well..Funny I spoke with HR yesterday morning about the talk he gave and lo and behold we now have that terminating contracts for some will not be renewed. Hummmm...Oh well looks like an experienced teacher that has written curriculum, fantastic evaluations never missed a days work in the 4 years working for wake county schools will be working at Trader Joes or tending bar. Did you know Trader Joes Medical Bennies are better than what the state provides teachers here in NC!!
Staying on the original topic, the article does mention that some terminating contracts would not be renewed. So at least they have that correct.
Sorry to hear this.
Frank
Yeah. That's how they'll spin it. There are a large number of Wake teachers with terminating contracts. It's not like that type of contract is rare.
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