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Old 06-29-2011, 08:05 AM
 
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But, if they mess up the building by carving off 25% of it and do some weird entrance features while leaving the other 40000 sf +/- vacant, is that really a good thing? Thats the only scenario I can think of happening right now as there are about the same number of 40ksf tenants out there as need 59ksf. Unless they are planning on drastically increasing the size of the ICE office.
Better than some weird church moving in and doing the same thing...
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Old 06-29-2011, 09:17 AM
 
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I have close family member out of state in law enforcement, and I know that the law enforcement community has a very important and often extremely difficult job to perform. I just can't imagine that this location would even make this agency's job any easier because of all of the issues around the location. Still scratching my head over this whole thing.

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Old 06-29-2011, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Knightdale, NC
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Didn't the article say the GSA sent out an RFP? perhaps these are the only places that responded?
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Old 06-29-2011, 01:19 PM
 
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I feel this is a good opportunity on many levels. The space has been vacant, and these types of spaces are particularly hard to re-use and can be left vacant for years and years. The ICE guys are the good guys, let's remember. I was speaking to one of them about this, and gave me some info on the local ICE dept - paraphrased:

This office was created prior to 2000 for a couple of INS Agents to work at the airport. After 911, it INS and US Customs merged w/ the creation of US Homeland Security. ICE is a subset agency under the overall “Homeland Security” umbrella. Within that we are the “Homeland Security Investigations” unit. We do everything from Drug Trafficking investigations, to Child Porn, to Human Smuggling, to Counterproliferation investigations.

Within “Homeland Security Investigations” there are a bunch of different units responsible for different aspects of the overall “Homeland Security” mission. Since 2003, since the creation of “Homeland Security” our overall presence in this area has grown from a few special agents to many agents, officers, and support staff. As a result, GSA (the gov) has spread us out from N. Raleigh to Cary. GSA has been trying to find us a space that would work out and this Kroger has been empty for at least 3 years.

The shopping center is located on a 4 lane Hwy 55 and Highhouse Rd. in Cary. It is within easy access to the new 540 bypass, to Hwy 64, and US 1. Our office conducts investigations throughout this part of N.C., from S.C. up to VA. We need a place that has easy access to all aspects of the area, not something that is buried away.


In conclusion, I feel this will be a good use of this space, it will be professionally re-faced, and will work out for the guys doing this kind of hard work, with no interference with the citizens of Cary. A win/win in my book to have this investigative office here.
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Old 06-29-2011, 01:24 PM
 
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Default ICE Spokesperson

And here is what the ICE spokeperson said:

An ICE spokeswoman has publicly confirmed that the Kroger site is one of the places being considered for the Cary ICE Office relocation. The Town has confirmed that the new office will not be a detention facility – there are no beds, showers, food service or other facilities that would allow anyone to be detained overnight.

The type of use the Kroger site is being considered for would look like normal offices and, according to the spokesperson, blend into the community – no bars on windows, floodlights, sirens, etc. This facility will not operate 24 hours a day/7 days a week. The office will usually operate during 8 a.m.-5 p.m. office-type hours, with some agents working a little earlier or later in the day as needed. Once a decision has been made by the GSA on the site, the move is expected to take place in late 2012. We do not have a confirmed timeframe on when the decision will be made.

ICE enforces 400 federal statutes including cyber crimes/crimes against children, financial crimes, gangs, human trafficking. For security reasons, DHS doesn’t confirm numbers of officers, agents or staff. However, agents are armed as one would expect.
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Old 06-29-2011, 01:33 PM
 
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I can see where the ICE offices perform an essential function but I still don't see how they would belong in a neighborhood (even if they are close to major highways). Why would they put law enforcement activities in a neighborhood with so many young children? This building shares a parking lot with a children's dance studio and is so close to homes, preschools, and elementary schools.

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And here is what the ICE spokeperson said:

An ICE spokeswoman has publicly confirmed that the Kroger site is one of the places being considered for the Cary ICE Office relocation. The Town has confirmed that the new office will not be a detention facility – there are no beds, showers, food service or other facilities that would allow anyone to be detained overnight.

The type of use the Kroger site is being considered for would look like normal offices and, according to the spokesperson, blend into the community – no bars on windows, floodlights, sirens, etc. This facility will not operate 24 hours a day/7 days a week. The office will usually operate during 8 a.m.-5 p.m. office-type hours, with some agents working a little earlier or later in the day as needed. Once a decision has been made by the GSA on the site, the move is expected to take place in late 2012. We do not have a confirmed timeframe on when the decision will be made.

ICE enforces 400 federal statutes including cyber crimes/crimes against children, financial crimes, gangs, human trafficking. For security reasons, DHS doesn’t confirm numbers of officers, agents or staff. However, agents are armed as one would expect.
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Old 06-29-2011, 01:45 PM
 
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I understand your concern, but this is just an investigative office. It's not like there'd be loose criminals running around, even if they were detaining them, which they are not. Besides, these are law officers that protect children.

When they arrest criminals, they do it wherever in the state the criminals are residing, and then take them to detention centers elsewhere. Inside the Cary office will be men and women working on computers, having planning meetings, etc.

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I can see where the ICE offices perform an essential function but I still don't see how they would belong in a neighborhood (even if they are close to major highways). Why would they put law enforcement activities in a neighborhood with so many young children? This building shares a parking lot with a children's dance studio and is so close to homes, preschools, and elementary schools.
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Old 06-29-2011, 02:01 PM
 
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I for one am excited about the possibility of the ICE office relocating to this location. That space has been vacant for a long time and it will benefit local businesses and the community to have it used for something.
I agree, that space is hardly a "shopping ctr" as everyone is making it out to be. The kroger went under years ago and it is now a commuter lot for RTP traffic. Plus, the few shops that are located in the adjacent area might acutally benefit from the new business. One business has already gone under there and that Blockbuster is likely to go under soon like the rest of them. The only anchor for this little strip is the Dunkin Doughnuts.
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Old 06-29-2011, 02:12 PM
 
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I can see where the ICE offices perform an essential function but I still don't see how they would belong in a neighborhood (even if they are close to major highways). Why would they put law enforcement activities in a neighborhood with so many young children? This building shares a parking lot with a children's dance studio and is so close to homes, preschools, and elementary schools.
Is this really part of the Neighborhood? How many "neighborhoods" have a 4 lane Hwy (Hwy 55) with a center lane running through it. Don't dramatize this and make it more than what it is. The old Kroger backs up to a neighborhood that was built between a major commuter highway and Highhouse Rd (another major 4 lane road in Cary). For those who don't live in the area, those elementary and preschools are all located off of that major highway, Hwy 55.
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Old 06-29-2011, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Oxxford Hunt, Cary NC
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Three new posters on this thread.. and all in favor of the ICE facility moving to that location.. very interesting!
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