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Old 10-03-2012, 02:15 PM
 
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Council Supports So-Called Police

This seems to indicate that they may soon make a "quota" system official. My understanding from a book I recently read is that the number of arrests an officer makes is really the true measure of his/her performance and almost nothing else matters. I've found Raleigh police to be friendly and helpful, but then again I'm pretty law abiding and all my paperwork is always current.

What do you think? Any Raleigh cops on this board want to comment (off the record of course)? Those who have dealt with police or know anything about their internal requirements/rules/expectations?

(BTW the book I'm referring to is this one: Arrest-Proof Yourself: An Ex-Cop Reveals How Easy It Is for Anyone to Get Arrested,How Even a Single Arrest Could Ruin Your Life,and What to Do If the Police Get in Your Face: Dale C. Carson,Wes Denham: 9781556526374: Amazon.com: Books

(No, I didn't read it because I fear getting arrested - it was suggested by a friend and I am always curious about these types of topics so I read it. It was interesting)
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Old 10-03-2012, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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The title of the book is a bit misleading...I had to click the link because I'm a law-abiding, mini-van driving, soccer mom (not literally, because I think kids are way over-scheduled and we don't do a lot of activities, but I do have a handful of children). You had me worried that I might mist-step and get arrested! Anyway, the book appears to be (based on the reviews) geared toward the lower socioeconomic class petty criminals.
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Old 10-03-2012, 03:40 PM
 
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Arresting people and issuing tickets is part of a police officer's job, so I'm a bit confused why the union is so opposed to it being part of their evaluation system. I can't think of another job where a major task of that job wouldn't be subject to measurement and evaluation.
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Old 10-03-2012, 03:46 PM
 
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So, what you're saying is that Raleigh will soon use police as a major revenue collecting entity like towns like Cary have been doing for years?
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Old 10-04-2012, 06:32 AM
 
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Arresting people and issuing tickets is part of a police officer's job, so I'm a bit confused why the union is so opposed to it being part of their evaluation system. I can't think of another job where a major task of that job wouldn't be subject to measurement and evaluation.
I have also been confused by this. Oh no! You might actually start pulling people over who road rage, don't turn on their turn signals, litter, etc?! Pretty sure the average officer could meet their quota in a week just driving around during rush hour.
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Old 10-04-2012, 06:38 AM
 
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They do not like to "patrol" during rush hour. I've been told this is because they are too busy writing up accident reports to bother patrolling busy area roads during the morning and afternoon rush. I have a friend who is a Raleigh cop, and I've asked him why is it I NEVER see cops out running radar or patrolling the busy rods during rush hour....but drive home down 540 at midnight, and you'll see 3 of them running radar!
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Old 10-04-2012, 06:43 AM
 
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The title of the book is a bit misleading...I had to click the link because I'm a law-abiding, mini-van driving, soccer mom (not literally, because I think kids are way over-scheduled and we don't do a lot of activities, but I do have a handful of children). You had me worried that I might mist-step and get arrested! Anyway, the book appears to be (based on the reviews) geared toward the lower socioeconomic class petty criminals.
That's not the case. Part of it may be, but he goes into great detail on why all of us upstanding citizens want to avoid even a false arrest, primarily because once you're put on what he calls the "electronic plantation" (the national databases) you will never get off. Even if arrest records are "expunged" or you get off scot free from your crime...your arrest record can scar you for life in many ways.

He also goes into a lot of common sense advice for dealing with even routine traffic stops and why you should never give out any information other than name, address, and where you're going.

I'm not saying you should or shouldn't follow every bit of his advice, only that I found it enlightening and eye opening as to what cops can and can't legally do to incite you to resist, flee, commit battery, etc. You'd be surprised at the examples.
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Old 10-04-2012, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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So, what you're saying is that Raleigh will soon use police as a major revenue collecting entity like towns like Cary have been doing for years?
Cary has some of the lowest crime rates in the country. If Raleigh is going to follow their model, more power to them!
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Old 10-04-2012, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Morrisville, NC
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Personally, I don't have a problem with police giving tickets to those who break laws. On the other hand, setting up like Morrisville does and ticketing because you crossed the yellow line by a foot to get to the empty turn lane (and on days they do this, travel times for everyone are drastically increased as traffic does not flow) or setting speed traps on roads whose speed limits were not set by sound engineering practice but for political reasons are things that can happen when the quota mentality sets in.

As far as the book goes, sounds similar to what my father in law, who was a police officer says. Especially the part about not giving info. Basically, the constitution gives you the right to remain silent. Take advantage of it and get a lawyer if it's something worse than a traffic ticket.
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Old 10-04-2012, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Arresting people and issuing tickets is part of a police officer's job, so I'm a bit confused why the union is so opposed to it being part of their evaluation system. I can't think of another job where a major task of that job wouldn't be subject to measurement and evaluation.
Right. It's not like there aren't crimes happening. There are, they just don't get caught. So why would catching more criminals in the act not be part of an evaluation?
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