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Sorry, I have trouble with the "responsible gun owner" argument and then people sticking up for the irresponsible gun owner. No guns means no guns. How do you not know where your gun is?
And I am a firm believer in the second amendment, but we can't keep making the argument that guns are safe because of responsible gun owners, and then find out that he "forgot" where it was. There is nothing responsible in not knowing where your gun is AT ALL TIMES.
THIS Xs a 1000.
He was irresponsible. Not graduating is how he will learn his lesson.
wheelsup, do you think knowingly and purposely are the same thing?
Since I'm not a judge and haven't heard testimony in court, it is not for me to decide whether the student should be a felon . (But when you commit a felony, that's what you are volunteering to become.) I assume the court will take everything into account and make an appropriate decision. But the charge and the school actions are exactly what are required by the statute and policy. Period.
In legal terms they certainly have different meanings.
I'm asking you, do you feel the charge should be followed through with or are you simply playing Devil's advocate?
Are you saying this will go to trial? I have to assume by the time that happens it won't matter a bit - this guy will have missed the last month of school and wouldn't have graduated.
If he had a loaded gun in his car and there was even a hint of belief that he intended to use it, the school would have notified the authorities, they would have swooped in, put him on his face on the ground, arrested the bejeepers out of him, tried him, and if there was proof, the guy would have been put away for a long time.
The only thing that would have been the same would be that people like you would still be making crazy analogies that didn't make sense, but somehow let you feel like you've proved your point...
Sorry, but you are just plain wrong. As I said, I agree that common sense should rule here, but that applies to those of us in the discussion too. To say that someone could bring a loaded gun to a school, display intent to use it, and that they'd only get a 365 day suspension is just silly. (I'm sure many wish that was the only consequence, but again, common sense dictates otherwise...)
Take a deep breath!
I was pointing out the schools punishment, not any criminal punishment he would have received. Of course the criminal punishment would have been worse. I suppose the school, could ban him for life, but my point was the punishment the school gives him would be the same or not much worse.
In legal terms they certainly have different meanings.
I'm asking you, do you feel the charge is warranted and should be followed through with or are you simply playing Devil's advocate?
Are you saying this will go to trial? I have to assume by the time that happens it won't matter a bit - this guy will have missed the last month of school and wouldn't have graduated.
This is just a classic example of overreacting.
It's unlikley to go to trial. It will likely be decided between a lawyer and a DA. Charges can be reduced and dropped etc...It's unlikely he'll end up with a felony as someone with no criminal record.
I remember when we would have "random vehicle checks" that some of the students brought in their guns to the vocational halls for storage, during hunting season. Oh the innocent 1990s.
Hmmm... Last week at my school: kid brings switchblade-not even suspended. Another kid brings a bb gun-I think he got a day or two suspended. But I teach in Wake Co. Maybe they overlook the zero tolerance there?
In a case that was clearly an accident, I hope it gets sorted out.
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