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Old 06-18-2015, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Might want to choose your acquaintances and company more carefully. lol.
Why? I could say the same to someone who frequently hangs around a liberal nutjob. But that's my opinion of someone. Those that I consider a liberal nutjob is someone's best friend, a child's parent, or parent's child. Same goes for the street thugs I know.



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Then what is? How do we preemptively identify/stop the nutters from wrecking countless lives in a very short period of time? I always see a lot of opposition to solutions but nothing better being proposed.
Damned if I know. Apparently nobody does. That's why I choose to arm myself. I'll be damned if I'm going to limit myself with the only option being to surrender and hopefully the nutter has a change of heart. I'm going to do my best to stop their heart. And yes, I'm legal.
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Old 06-18-2015, 06:09 PM
 
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Why? I could say the same to someone who frequently hangs around a liberal nutjob. But that's my opinion of someone. Those that I consider a liberal nutjob is someone's best friend, a child's parent, or parent's child. Same goes for the street thugs I know.
Perhaps because unless the "liberal nutjob" is actively committing a felony and making you an accessory just by your very knowledge, they are not really doing anything to increase your chances of ending up in prison, with a new love interest / roommate that is not of your choosing, and likely has as his favorite beer brand tattooed on his neck. Hanging out with street thugs who are dealing in illegal arms could land you in that position very easily.

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Damned if I know. Apparently nobody does.
Well it's easy enough to discard someone else's solution when you have none of your own to offer. Those types are a dime a dozen and we could use more people who are actually able to come up with solutions than those who opine strongly about matters but throw their hands up and shrug their shoulders when asked for an alternative.
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:00 PM
 
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Well it's easy enough to discard someone else's solution when you have none of your own to offer. Those types are a dime a dozen and we could use more people who are actually able to come up with solutions than those who opine strongly about matters but throw their hands up and shrug their shoulders when asked for an alternative.
Your retort would make sense if you provided a solution of your own.

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Perhaps because unless the "liberal nutjob" is actively committing a felony and making you an accessory just by your very knowledge, they are not really doing anything to increase your chances of ending up in prison, with a new love interest / roommate that is not of your choosing, and likely has as his favorite beer brand tattooed on his neck. Hanging out with street thugs who are dealing in illegal arms could land you in that position very easily.
It's all good. I'm a straight up thug, G.
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:10 PM
 
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Your retort would make sense if you provided a solution of your own.
I did in post #41. I did not detail a lot of proposed changes to laws of course, but the basic idea is clear enough.

If making it harder to obtain dangerous killing instruments is NOT the answer, as the neo-nazis always claim, then assuming no changes to gun ownership or acquisition laws, what is the alternative way to prevent these people from going off the rails and killing in bulk?

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It's all good. I'm a straight up thug, G.
I'm sure you're quite the guy.
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:23 PM
 
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I did in post #41. I did not detail a lot of proposed changes to laws of course, but the basic idea is clear enough.

If making it harder to obtain dangerous killing instruments is NOT the answer, as the neo-nazis always claim, then assuming no changes to gun ownership or acquisition laws, what is the alternative way to prevent these people from going off the rails and killing in bulk?

And my point by my post was to point out stricter laws only make it harder on those who wish to obtain firearms legally. I carry concealed legally. I believe it should be harder for a person to obtain a CCW. I do believe someone should be required to demonstrate proficiency prior to obtaining a purchase permit. However, regardless of how tough the laws become they will have zero effect on some of "my boys" who don't give a damn about laws, about you, or who they put a hole through. They can't tell you the name of Raleigh's mayor, the governor of NC, or even the name of our vice president. All they care about is snaggin' another sawbuck from the bedbugs.
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:35 PM
 
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And my point by my post was to point out stricter laws only make it harder on those who wish to obtain firearms legally. I carry concealed legally. I believe it should be harder for a person to obtain a CCW. I do believe someone should be required to demonstrate proficiency prior to obtaining a purchase permit. However, regardless of how tough the laws become they will have zero effect on some of "my boys" who don't give a damn about laws, about you, or who they put a hole through. They can't tell you the name of Raleigh's mayor, the governor of NC, or even the name of our vice president. All they care about is snaggin' another sawbuck from the bedbugs.
My point is that some folks who obtain firearms legally end up killing one or more victims (leaving many other victims per corpse, such as family members, suffering way longer than the ones they actually shot). Or, as you pointed out, folks who acquire them legally find that their legal actually ends up being someone else's easy take, effectively resulting in one less legally registered firearm on the street and one additional "drop gun" as you put it.

No matter how you slice it, the above paragraph indicates there is a problem there to be solved. If less people had them legally, less people would acquire them illegally or flip them from legal use into a killing weapon for the criminally insane once they convert from law-abiding gun enthusiast into crazed and disgruntled ex-employee, jilted lover, or just violently mentally ill.

Less guns means less guns. It would be nice if someone could come up with a solution that unquestionably allows the sane to do as they wish, while preventing access to guns to criminals and the insane, but as I've presented here already, that is a MUCH harder problem to solve than just reducing the number of guns out there, period.

Solution A puts guns in the hands only of the responsible and ensures they are never stolen or mis-purposed, but is a fantasy.

Solution B reduces the gun availability to everyone, imposing an inconvenience to responsible gun owners and those who have nothing else to call their hobby, with the benefit of saving lots of lives.

Solution C is none of the above but has yet to be invented.

So which of those three do you prefer? So far it seems you like C, because it gives you the convenience of not having to think of a solution. A is a fantasy, so it's just not happening.

What's left?
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Old 06-19-2015, 02:47 PM
 
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Just wait until 3D printers are more mainstream. A fully functional pistol has already been produced by a 3D printer. Heck, functional pistols made from a bar of soap have been confiscated from prison cells.

So many guns!! Guns, Guns, Guns.....everywhere are guns!

Better learn how to shoot, homie.
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Old 06-19-2015, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Cary
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Better learn how to shoot, homie.
<runs off to do some double taps>
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Old 06-19-2015, 03:27 PM
 
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Just wait until 3D printers are more mainstream. A fully functional pistol has already been produced by a 3D printer. Heck, functional pistols made from a bar of soap have been confiscated from prison cells.

So many guns!! Guns, Guns, Guns.....everywhere are guns!

Better learn how to shoot, homie.
I know full well how to shoot, and legally own several firearms. I'm not sure why you would think that being in favor of finding ways of preventing nut-jobs gone wild would exclude me from doing so. Would I give up my firearms? Of course, if that were part of the required legal changes to address the issue. I would have no issues complying to whatever restrictions were decided upon.

But just so you know, homie, you failed miserably at the challenge that was presented to you, and your diversion didn't remove anyone's awareness of that.
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Old 06-19-2015, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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But just so you know, homie, you failed miserably at the challenge that was presented to you, and your diversion didn't remove anyone's awareness of that.
No, I didn't because you have yet to provide a reasonable solution, either. A lot of the jargon you've posted doesn't even make sense. Less legal guns means there will be less illegal guns? Come on' man. I hope you really don't believe that to be true.

Here's reality: Tougher gun laws have been enacted. They didn't work. The fact is normal people regardless if they support gun rights or not do not want to see anyone shot regardless of how the shooter obtained the firearm. But since nobody has a viable solution mine is to protect my family and myself.
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