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Old 06-18-2015, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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That is not completely true. It's been a while since I read the FairTax info, but I believe there is a prebate for low-income families and individuals to pay for necessities.
Prebate for ALL families. Just to be Fair.
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Old 06-18-2015, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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That's an unfair characterization.

You're attempting to debate the moral goodness of progressive taxes. Progressive taxes have been universally accepted since the early 1900's as being more fair. A billionaire's 20% is not a teacher's 20%.

Thus, FairTax is not fair.
"Progressive" income taxes are not inherently fair or desirable.

There. "Universal" is absolutely not true.
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Old 06-18-2015, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Near Falls Lake
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I don't know what the answer is but can tell you that my tax bill (I pay every month) is insane! I certainly don't subscribe to the "universally accepted" progressive tax as being more fair. Everyone needs to have some skin in the game!
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Old 06-18-2015, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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I don't know what the answer is but can tell you that my tax bill (I pay every month) is insane! I certainly don't subscribe to the "universally accepted" progressive tax as being more fair. Everyone needs to have some skin in the game!
You can't sell votes and keep your face in the trough with that attitude!
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Old 06-19-2015, 06:52 AM
 
Location: NC
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Unfortunately, tweaking the concept means that the floodgates of self-serving political manipulation and favoritism would crack open.
Seems to be the real problem (and it is not limited to one party or the other) about getting ANYTHING done. I have very little faith that common sense will prevail. We may get a new tax code (or healthcare, or economic policy, or or or) in name, but this will always be the reality.

Sad.
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Old 06-19-2015, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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Seems to be the real problem (and it is not limited to one party or the other) about getting ANYTHING done. I have very little faith that common sense will prevail. We may get a new tax code (or healthcare, or economic policy, or or or) in name, but this will always be the reality.

Sad.
Yep.
Politicos make a career out of convincing enough voters that, if elected, they will enable their constituency to take more out of the kitty than they contribute.
That fact is reflective of a human failing that crosses demographic, party, and ideological lines.
"Self-interest" pandering is powerful and foolproof political leverage.
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Old 06-19-2015, 08:27 AM
 
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Just when you thought our government couldn't do any worse, it's back to the old game.

Many of the teaching assistants in the schools will be laid off.

Drivers' ed will go up from $50 to about $400 so many families will not be able to afford it.

These legislators need to be gone next year.
I am furious at the proposal to cut all TA's. They have no intention of reducing class size so TA's are necessary. I love how the Republicans got themselves re-elected claiming they were the only ones to give raises to teachers, they should have mentioned not for the experienced ones. They are denying raises to teachers with over 25 years experience in their budget proposal

I can't understand why this stuff does not show up on the news. I can't find it on WRAL only on WNCN. Do people realize that when our school districts start tanking so will home values. Plus, everyone gets pissy that the county needs to raise taxes, look at this budget and you will understand why. We have to fund our own districts here because the state does not value education.
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Old 06-19-2015, 08:46 AM
 
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A billionaire's 20% is not a teacher's 20%.
I have to disagree. By the mathematical principal it is exactly the same, and has the exact same proportional weight.

It is the cleanest form of taxation where there are no loopholes and hidden deceitful principles. Everyone should have to shoulder their proportional role in providing the operating expenses for our government.

The way it is structured now, the wealthy pay for the staggering majority of programs that they will never utilize or benefit from.
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Old 06-19-2015, 01:49 PM
 
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I am furious at the proposal to cut all TA's. They have no intention of reducing class size so TA's are necessary. I love how the Republicans got themselves re-elected claiming they were the only ones to give raises to teachers, they should have mentioned not for the experienced ones. They are denying raises to teachers with over 25 years experience in their budget proposal

I can't understand why this stuff does not show up on the news. I can't find it on WRAL only on WNCN. Do people realize that when our school districts start tanking so will home values. Plus, everyone gets pissy that the county needs to raise taxes, look at this budget and you will understand why. We have to fund our own districts here because the state does not value education.
Might just stop growth. Bravo!
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Old 06-19-2015, 02:29 PM
 
Location: NC
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I have to disagree. By the mathematical principal it is exactly the same, and has the exact same proportional weight.

It is the cleanest form of taxation where there are no loopholes and hidden deceitful principles. Everyone should have to shoulder their proportional role in providing the operating expenses for our government.

The way it is structured now, the wealthy pay for the staggering majority of programs that they will never utilize or benefit from.
Except the teacher's pay is going almost all to satisfying Maslow's most basic needs (Shelter, food, etc.) so that 20% carries more importance than the billionaires 20% which is spent on getting a bigger yacht than he had last year, and upgrading his Bentley to the 2016 model so his driver doesn't have to suffer the travesty of driving an old jalopy.

I guess it is subjective as to which of those things are more important, or if they are the same. I know that I have my opionion. (Forget about the fact that the billionaire couldn't make his billiions without a workforce trained by the teacher, and likely couldn't make his billions without the assist of people working for much lower wages, and without a middle class with disposable income to buy whatever it is he is selling.)

I wish the NC GA would think about those things before all the jobs (and the billionaires) go somewhere else.
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