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We are talking around the same thing, but from different angles. The perspective that Sant, TarheelNick and I bring is we actually live here and know about the local policies and politics.
There is plenty of growth around Chapel Hill in rural areas that have septic. Orange County and Chapel Hill and Carrboro don't want to be like Cary and Wake County, so the boards have not approved development on that scale. Chatham County, on the other hand, had a very pro-development board a few years ago and approved a massive amount of development including Briar Chapel and many others subdivisions (some of which languished in the real estate downturn) and of course Chatham Park is on the way, too.
We like the rural buffer and value slow growth and don't want and don't have the explosive growth of Wake Co. We have tightly controlled growth here and the schools are able to plan for it and keep up with it.
We are talking around the same thing, but from different angles. The perspective that Sant, TarheelNick and I bring is we actually live here and know about the local policies and politics.
There is plenty of growth around Chapel Hill in rural areas that have septic. Orange County and Chapel Hill and Carrboro don't want to be like Cary and Wake County, so the boards have not approved development on that scale. Chatham County, on the other hand, had a very pro-development board a few years ago and approved a massive amount of development including Briar Chapel and many others subdivisions (some of which languished in the real estate downturn) and of course Chatham Park is on the way, too.
We like the rural buffer and value slow growth and don't want and don't have the explosive growth of Wake Co. We have tightly controlled growth here and the schools are able to plan for it and keep up with it.
Around Chapel Hill isn't "Chapel Hill", and growth on septic is minor compared to growth on sewer. It boggles my mind that you can't see/admit that Chapel Hill's decision years ago to restrict the extension of water and sewer is the primary driver of its slow growth attitude. If you knew anything at all about real estate development you'd understand.
"Chapel Hill and Carrboro don't want to be like Cary and Wake County, so the boards have not approved development on that scale. Chatham County, on the other hand, had a very pro-development board a few years ago and approved a massive amount of development including Briar Chapel and many others subdivisions..."
Yes. I know and I've said as much. I don't understand why you say the same things I say, and attempt to say they are different. Color me confused.
Saying access to water and sewer don't influence development is like saying access to an ocean port doesn't affect trade & commerce. Sure, there are wells and septic, but the lack of water and sewer lines has A LOT to do with the relative slow growth of that area. Anybody with any experience in planning knows that.
We have a winner! Caroliandawg2 nailed it. No growth without water and sewer and roads.
I was responding to this. The point I was trying unsuccessfully to make is development can occur in areas without water and sewer and roads when the city/county boards are amenable to it. In some cases they extend services to the area. In some cases the developer builds it. I used Briar Chapel as an example because it was somewhat out in the middle of nowhere, but the Chatham County Board of County Commissioners voted to approve the development. Newland Homes the developer of Briar Chapel built a private wastewater treatment plant as there was no sewer service there. http://www.chathamnc.org/RezoningSub...0South%20A.pdf
In the early 2002, Chatham County had a very controversial election and a very pro-development board of County Commissioners swept into office and approved a ton of development. Briar Chapel was the biggest of that lot until Chatham Park was approved. The growth in Northern Chatham since 2000 has just been phenomenal because of that pro-growth board and all the projects that got approved then.
The reason I bring up Chatham County and Briar Chapel is to show that if Orange County and Chapel Hill wanted to grow faster they could approve developments like this where the developer builds their own infrastructure, but they are very picky about what gets approved. Chapel Hill, Carrboro, and Orange County each have a strategic vision about slower growth.
If anyone was around here in the late '70s - '80s the city of Raleigh was expanding their city limits after winning a court case that said they did not have to provide water and sewer to the new city residents (I think fire,police and trash removal was enough to expand the city limits).
There were no subdivisions on Falls of the Neuse Road past Durant road and a couple of older subdivisions on Durant between six forks and falls of the neuse. During that time period, subdivisions were springing up everywhere there was vacant land between six forks and falls of the neuse, not to mention what was happening in Cary.
If you lived there in 1985 and came back in 2005, you would not know how to get around. Chapel Hill during that same time period changed very little.
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