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Old 09-06-2016, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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The joke part is that they need an all day course, so they keep you there all day with about an hours worth of "insruction". Most are breaks and near endless anecdotes, with the rest taken by stoopid questions.

I really questioned my need for a permit, but after seeing the morons that we're getting them, there is no way I am gonna be out amongst them without a way to defend myself.
The NRA instructors were two goobers.

One admitted taking a concealed handgun into a bank because he forgot about it in his pocket - good luck with that one....

The other was complaining about the inability to take a concealed handgun to the movies. He said that when he and his wife leaves, she stops at the door to the movies, he runs to the car to get his weapon and covers her when she runs to the car.....thats Cary too.......
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Old 09-06-2016, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Lake Gaston, NC
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He said that when he and his wife leaves, she stops at the door to the movies, he runs to the car to get his weapon and covers her when she runs to the car.....thats Cary too.......
I wonder if they live within sight of Sharon Harris
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Old 09-06-2016, 08:39 AM
 
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Hi,

So quick question,

Is it safe to say that if you were issued a pistol purchase permit in Wake County, is it 100% guaranteed you'd qualify for a concealed carry permit? That's what I've been told more or less, but if that's the case, then why do they do a much more intensive background check on you? Fingerprints, FBI etc.
If you really are a law abiding gun owner like everyone claims to be, the background checks and fingerprinting should mean nothing to you. It should be a non-issue. But you seem concerned about them....
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Old 09-06-2016, 08:44 AM
 
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You would be even more surprised how easy it is to obtain an illegal firearm. Criminals don't care about laws.
It's really easy to steal a gun that was legally purchased, though the owner refuses to keep it secured. When purchasing my house, it was disclosed to me that the previous owner had a pistol that had been stolen out of the unlocked trucks unlocked glovebox in the driveway. I mean how dumb could you be? Is that being responsible and doing your part to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them? No. That's a laissez faire, "I really don't give a damn about anyone except myself" attitude. Speaking of criminals and laws, why the hell do we have speed limits if people are just gonna break the law anyways? I mean by your logic, they are completely useless and ineffective, right? Total anarchy is the way to a peaceful, Utopian society, huh? I would have thought so when I was 15 yrs old, but now that I actually care about my life and those around me, no. What a stupid mindset.
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Old 09-06-2016, 08:56 AM
 
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I'm not sure about yearly evaluations, but every 4 or 5 years, you should be required to still show that you're able to operate a firearm properly. If that simply means going to your local gun range showing them you know how to properly load and unload a gun, can identify the basic parts of a gun, firing 30 or 40 rounds and having a 60-70% accuracy on your target so they can give you a certificate that you can show the state, then so be it.

Pretty much all of us were taught how to drive before we stepped in a car to take our driver's license test. Yet we've all seen people that clearly need to go back to driving school. "We" may know how to drive well and that other person can't. It's even more intense with a gun. YOU may be able to hit a target 20 times dead in the center from 10 yards away and know how to handle a gun, but the problem is that other person next to you doesn't. Yet they have the same exact process to obtain a gun as you do. Having any Joe Blow without any training being able to purchase some huge caliber handgun and walk around freely IS dangerous. I'm all for the right to carry a gun openly or concealed, but there needs to be some basic training for everyone before you should be allowed to carry one.

I do think that needs to be changed. Guns can be, no they ARE dangerous.
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Old 09-06-2016, 10:48 AM
 
Location: My House
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The NRA instructors were two goobers.

One admitted taking a concealed handgun into a bank because he forgot about it in his pocket - good luck with that one....

The other was complaining about the inability to take a concealed handgun to the movies. He said that when he and his wife leaves, she stops at the door to the movies, he runs to the car to get his weapon and covers her when she runs to the car.....thats Cary too.......
Was he dropped on his head as a child?
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Old 09-06-2016, 10:51 AM
 
Location: My House
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I'm not sure about yearly evaluations, but every 4 or 5 years, you should be required to still show that you're able to operate a firearm properly. If that simply means going to your local gun range showing them you know how to properly load and unload a gun, can identify the basic parts of a gun, firing 30 or 40 rounds and having a 60-70% accuracy on your target so they can give you a certificate that you can show the state, then so be it.

Pretty much all of us were taught how to drive before we stepped in a car to take our driver's license test. Yet we've all seen people that clearly need to go back to driving school. "We" may know how to drive well and that other person can't. It's even more intense with a gun. YOU may be able to hit a target 20 times dead in the center from 10 yards away and know how to handle a gun, but the problem is that other person next to you doesn't. Yet they have the same exact process to obtain a gun as you do. Having any Joe Blow without any training being able to purchase some huge caliber handgun and walk around freely IS dangerous. I'm all for the right to carry a gun openly or concealed, but there needs to be some basic training for everyone before you should be allowed to carry one.

I do think that needs to be changed. Guns can be, no they ARE dangerous.
This is pretty much the spirit of what I was thinking, michael.

I do believe that a good many concealed carry permit holders could easily pass a basic proficiency test and that they do practice regularly.

But, that's not all of them, or maybe even most of them. And THOSE are the people who worry me.

Me having a gun isn't going to help me much if there's a doofus next to me that has one unsecured on his/her person or that has an itchy trigger finger and is a TERRIBLE shot.

So, yeah... these folk might need remedial classes. Which is what people have to take when they really suck at driving a car.
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Old 09-08-2016, 08:31 PM
 
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If you really are a law abiding gun owner like everyone claims to be, the background checks and fingerprinting should mean nothing to you. It should be a non-issue. But you seem concerned about them....
Yeah that pesky 2nd amendment that says rights shall not be infringed. Thankfully since having my chl I no longer have to deal with background checks or other nonsense. You realize you don't need a background check to buy a long gun right? Why should it apply to handguns? I can go to one of many gun sites and find a shot gun, ar-15, or some other long gun, meet the owner in person, and walk away with it.

Chicago has the strictest laws in the country, and look at the insane amount of gun violence. Wanna guess the % of illegal fire arms turn up in those cases?

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It's really easy to steal a gun that was legally purchased, though the owner refuses to keep it secured. When purchasing my house, it was disclosed to me that the previous owner had a pistol that had been stolen out of the unlocked trucks unlocked glovebox in the driveway. I mean how dumb could you be? Is that being responsible and doing your part to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them? No. That's a laissez faire, "I really don't give a damn about anyone except myself" attitude. Speaking of criminals and laws, why the hell do we have speed limits if people are just gonna break the law anyways? I mean by your logic, they are completely useless and ineffective, right? Total anarchy is the way to a peaceful, Utopian society, huh? I would have thought so when I was 15 yrs old, but now that I actually care about my life and those around me, no. What a stupid mindset.
Ever heard of break ins? There were two break ins in N Raleigh in $600k+ homes last week. In one home there were people inside including small children. Thankfully a gun owner ran him off. You take one point of people doing stupid things and apply it to all gun owners I have guns in my car but it's locked and in my locked garage. I know A LOT of gun owners and everyone keeps their guns locked up when needed. What was your point again?

Alcohol is heavily regulated but people still drink and drive. Should we ban alcohol completely? Do you think that will get rid of it all?

Drugs are illegal and look at how many people do them. Especially pot. Those laws seem to work great


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I'm not sure about yearly evaluations, but every 4 or 5 years, you should be required to still show that you're able to operate a firearm properly. If that simply means going to your local gun range showing them you know how to properly load and unload a gun, can identify the basic parts of a gun, firing 30 or 40 rounds and having a 60-70% accuracy on your target so they can give you a certificate that you can show the state, then so be it.

Pretty much all of us were taught how to drive before we stepped in a car to take our driver's license test. Yet we've all seen people that clearly need to go back to driving school. "We" may know how to drive well and that other person can't. It's even more intense with a gun. YOU may be able to hit a target 20 times dead in the center from 10 yards away and know how to handle a gun, but the problem is that other person next to you doesn't. Yet they have the same exact process to obtain a gun as you do. Having any Joe Blow without any training being able to purchase some huge caliber handgun and walk around freely IS dangerous. I'm all for the right to carry a gun openly or concealed, but there needs to be some basic training for everyone before you should be allowed to carry one.

I do think that needs to be changed. Guns can be, no they ARE dangerous.
Please show me in the constitution about the right to drive a vehicle.

I love when people say we need changes, but I fail to see anyone post the issues with CHL carriers. Please someone show me all of these issues that require us to change our laws..... With all this talk you would think people are being shot left and right because CHL holders can't handle a gun worth a damn. Heck you don't need a CHL to carry openly. That means there must be even more issues with open carriers. I would love to see that too

FYI there are over 12 million conceal carriers in the US which is 1 in 20 adults. With the things I read on this site it seems there should be a lot more issues.

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Old 09-08-2016, 08:47 PM
 
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Or, keep doing it and fail the people who suck.

Where are all these stats that show me that concealed carry gun owners are not shooting people, either intentionally or accidentally?

Wasn't that mom whose kid pulled the gun out of her handbag and shot her in a store a CCW permit holder?

Maybe we need IQ tests before people are allowed to carry concealed firearms.
Here is a small % of defensive gun uses

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/?s=defensive

more

https://www.reddit.com/r/dgu/

One story is all you had? Yeah there are morons with their conceal carry. This can be applied to anything in life.

We have crazy religious people. Should we ban that religion?
People drink and drive. Should we ban alcohol?
People drive like ***holes. Should we ban cars?
That guy in Paris drove a truck into a crowd of people. Should we ban trucks?
People do drugs and then kill people. Should be ban drugs? Oh wait we already do....

I could keep going on and on but it's pointless. Nothing is perfect and there are already stupid people. IQ doesn't mean anything. The unibomber had 160+ IQ so with that logic he should have had his conceal carry

Lock the people up that use guns illegally. They are getting a slap on the wrist and they keep doing the same things over and over again.
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Old 09-09-2016, 08:40 AM
 
Location: My House
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Here is a small % of defensive gun uses

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/?s=defensive

more

https://www.reddit.com/r/dgu/

One story is all you had? Yeah there are morons with their conceal carry. This can be applied to anything in life.

We have crazy religious people. Should we ban that religion?
People drink and drive. Should we ban alcohol?
People drive like ***holes. Should we ban cars?
That guy in Paris drove a truck into a crowd of people. Should we ban trucks?
People do drugs and then kill people. Should be ban drugs? Oh wait we already do....

I could keep going on and on but it's pointless. Nothing is perfect and there are already stupid people. IQ doesn't mean anything. The unibomber had 160+ IQ so with that logic he should have had his conceal carry

Lock the people up that use guns illegally. They are getting a slap on the wrist and they keep doing the same things over and over again.
I have personal experience that tells me that there are plenty of unstable people walking around with concealed carry handgun licenses.

I think we'd do good to consider the type of weapon that one has the "right" to bear.

Bottom line is that the constitution doesn't give Americans the right to bear ALL arms. If so, you could buy patriot missiles at the gun show.

The reality is that we did NOT have guns that were so precise or that fired so quickly back when the Constitution was written. Ergo, we really only have the right to bear arms of the type that existed back then if you want to get technical, and if you wanna have plenty of those? Have at it.

Also, the 2nd gives the right not to have just guns, but to have guns for a well-regulated militia. How many people with firearms are using them in their well-regulated militia?

The Constitution is a living document. As such, thinking-minded people can change it.

Chicago is a lousy example. If it was on an island, I'm sure they'd have less gun violence. As it is, the area is far too close to plenty of places with lax gun laws. Who can't drive guns right on over there quickly?


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