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Old 07-28-2017, 11:49 AM
 
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I have come on here before discussing Cary and whether it will become a major economic center like raleigh and Durham. I think with the revitalization of downtown Cary underway, the redevelopment of CTC, and the north hills style wegmans area coming to light, this idea of Cary becoming an economic center like raleigh and Durham might be coming to fruition.

Cary enters a new, more dense, era of growth as undeveloped land dwindles | News & Observer

I am not saying Cary will sport a huge skyline anytime soon, but I think the beginnings of Cary becoming much more than a suburb of raleigh is finally becoming a reality.

What do you all think about this new strategy of building up instead of out and what it means for Cary?
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Old 07-28-2017, 11:59 AM
 
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I really like you but it's like Redhat is in downtown raleigh and you're saying cary is getting wegmans now they're really getting ready to make a play for the spotlight.

I'm not trying to be hard on you but it's making me laugh
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Old 07-28-2017, 12:26 PM
 
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You might want to check out this earlier thread about the same article.

Downtown Cary to Become More "Urban"
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Old 07-28-2017, 01:31 PM
 
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IMHO, Cary already is more than a suburb of Raleigh. It has more people commuting into it than commuting out. There is a really informative infographic/map (with arrows) that illustrate this traffic flow -but I can't find it online. I think I saw it several moths ago on an online blog on Cary Citizen... SFSpiderman.... PierreTong... little help??

Really, I think one could argue that Cary has its own suburbs (Apex, Holly Springs, Fuquay-Varina). Half our friends, we used to live in Apex, work in Cary. The others split between RTP (Morrisville - Durham) and Raleigh.

Saying this, it will never become a Bellevue (WA) in terms of skyline; though it is it's peer in terms of population, private employers, diversity, education levels, and median incomes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellevue,_Washington

Pretty impressive the list of private employers in Cary... that are not university, hospital or municipality/gov -as is the case with many suburbs/towns/cites that are not truly viable "stand alone". It is scary how many places have Hospitals - Education (school district and/or college) - Municipality and/or Gov as their only "real" employers. Meds, Eds and Feds is not a sustainable economy .... but that is a different thread.
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Old 07-28-2017, 02:10 PM
 
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There is a really informative infographic/map (with arrows) that illustrate this traffic flow -but I can't find it online. I think I saw it several moths ago on an online blog on Cary Citizen... SFSpiderman.... PierreTong... little help??
I know exactly what you're talking about, but I can't remember where I saw it either.
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Old 07-28-2017, 03:23 PM
 
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I really like you but it's like Redhat is in downtown raleigh and you're saying cary is getting wegmans now they're really getting ready to make a play for the spotlight.

I'm not trying to be hard on you but it's making me laugh
Did you read the article? The whole article is about Cary becoming more urban and starting to grow up instead of out. Idk why that is a laughing matter. Unless you just think it's comical to think Cary could be anything more than a bunch of rich suburbanites. I am not saying Cary will get a skyline in the foreseeable future, but if you ever bother to look at the plans for the wegmans anchored shopping center, you will find the wegmans is probably the smallest building. That complex IMHO is completely different than any other complex in cary. And if this one was approved and ends up being successful, then I think it will usher in more such developments for Cary. Not sure how tall the buildings will be, but they look taller than 10 stories in the video. have you looked at the new shopping center that has beeen proposed?
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Old 07-28-2017, 04:02 PM
 
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IMHO, Cary already is more than a suburb of Raleigh. It has more people commuting into it than commuting out. There is a really informative infographic/map (with arrows) that illustrate this traffic flow -but I can't find it online. I think I saw it several moths ago on an online blog on Cary Citizen... SFSpiderman.... PierreTong... little help??

Really, I think one could argue that Cary has its own suburbs (Apex, Holly Springs, Fuquay-Varina). Half our friends, we used to live in Apex, work in Cary. The others split between RTP (Morrisville - Durham) and Raleigh.

Saying this, it will never become a Bellevue (WA) in terms of skyline; though it is it's peer in terms of population, private employers, diversity, education levels, and median incomes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellevue,_Washington

Pretty impressive the list of private employers in Cary... that are not university, hospital or municipality/gov -as is the case with many suburbs/towns/cites that are not truly viable "stand alone". It is scary how many places have Hospitals - Education (school district and/or college) - Municipality and/or Gov as their only "real" employers. Meds, Eds and Feds is not a sustainable economy .... but that is a different thread.
Yes, I agree that statistically speaking, it already is an ecomic center in its own right. What I am curious about though is how urban Cary will get and how tall it's buildings will be. As the article alludes to, Cary is in some sort of a crossroads as it historically has grown through developing undeveloped land. It can no longer do that so it is forced to build up. With projects in the work like I mentioned, I am seeing that upward momentum starting. But, where does it end? How far up will it go?
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Old 07-28-2017, 04:04 PM
 
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whether it will become a major economic center like raleigh and Durham
IMO, it won't. It will continue to remain a suburb. Larger in population over time, yes, but ultimately a suburb.
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Old 07-28-2017, 04:06 PM
 
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You might want to check out this earlier thread about the same article.

Downtown Cary to Become More "Urban"
Oh cool! I did not see that thread! Thanks for the link
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Old 07-29-2017, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Cary...."Heritage Neighborhood"
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Yes, I agree that statistically speaking, it already is an ecomic center in its own right. What I am curious about though is how urban Cary will get and how tall it's buildings will be. As the article alludes to, Cary is in some sort of a crossroads as it historically has grown through developing undeveloped land. It can no longer do that so it is forced to build up. With projects in the work like I mentioned, I am seeing that upward momentum starting. But, where does it end? How far up will it go?

Well, downtown Cary proper probably won't be that tall -which I like trying to keep the small town/village vibe there. In fact, there are already some grumblings about proposed 3 and 4 story projects going in DT. They do though need to put some higher density 3-4 story buildings to get viable density (living and office) to support DT businesses and have a live-work-play environment. It is a fine line to walk with keeping some small town charm and history intact.

However, just a mile east near I40 along the Raleigh border, in what Cary refers to as "The Eastern Gateway", the town is planning on having 20+ story office towers in Zone 2 (Office Campus).
See top of page 124 of this doc http://www.imaginecary.org/wp/wp-con...oard-Draft.pdf
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