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Old 04-17-2018, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Isn't "Loosening regulations to allow private jobs to become viable" the same thing as the "government giving someone a job"? IMO, both involve government help to make employment possible (and are essentially the same thing worded differently.....just depends which political viewpoint you choose to look at that from)

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Old 04-17-2018, 09:28 PM
 
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Isn't "Loosening regulations to allow private jobs to become viable" the same thing as the "government giving someone a job"? IMO, both involve government help to make employment possible.
If that is the way you view it so be it.

The government collecting tax money and turning around and hiring people to do jobs isn't what I'd call free market capitalism.

Adding regulation tends to stifle job growth as more money is spent on non-tangibles. A good example this time of year is tax season. Lots of money is spent by corporations coming up with the best use of money based on taxes not because that is the most efficient use of it. There is little furtherance of commerce just to adhere to regulatory burdens.

I'm not a crazy anti-government person. Government serves an essential function and provides many needed services such as defense, environmental protection, etc. I'd argue local government is even more important but unfortunately the way our system is set up, most of our money goes to the feds not at the state level.

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Old 04-17-2018, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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If that is the way you view it so be it.

The government collecting tax money and turning around and hiring people to do jobs isn't what I'd call free market capitalism.

Adding regulation tends to stifle job growth as more money is spent on non-tangibles. A good example this time of year is tax season. Lots of money is spent by corporations coming up with the best use of money based on taxes not because that is the most efficient use of it. There is little furtherance of commerce just to adhere to regulatory burdens.

I'm not a crazy anti-government person. Government serves an essential function and provides many needed services such as defense, environmental protection, etc. I'd argue local government is even more important but unfortunately the way our system is set up, most of our money goes to the feds not at the state level.
if you
I'm not arguing for one view or the other but I'm just saying that you two are basically saying the exact same thing, both depends on the government to act in a certain way (in your case, deciding the balance between providing necessary regulations to protect certain things vs. allowing more freedom to companies to spend and potentially create jobs)
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Old 04-17-2018, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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But if you can't tell the difference (non-difference really) between Pierce Freelon pandering to his minority base, and Trump/other conservatives pandering to non-college educated blue collar workers, then we don't have much to agree on
one person panders to their base.
another person panders to their base.

there's a difference? Really?
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Old 04-17-2018, 09:57 PM
 
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I'm not arguing for one view or the other but I'm just saying that you two are basically saying the exact same thing, both depends on the government to act in a certain way (in your case, deciding the balance between providing necessary regulations to protect certain things vs. allowing more freedom to companies to spend and potentially create jobs)
Oh I realize this. The difference is one has a viewpoint rooted in socialism (government provides jobs).
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Old 04-17-2018, 10:06 PM
 
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Oh I realize this. The difference is one has a viewpoint rooted in socialism (government provides jobs).
Well if you think about it, the government already takes your tax money to provide jobs in what it deems "essential services".

So either way, it's not like we're exactly running a free market capitalist society like libertarians would want us to.
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Old 04-17-2018, 10:28 PM
 
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Well if you think about it, the government already takes your tax money to provide jobs in what it deems "essential services".

So either way, it's not like we're exactly running a free market capitalist society like libertarians would want us to.
Ron Paul was the leader of that ideology and he never advocated for cutting all government employment. So unless they are some extremist group I'm not sure I really follow your point.
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Old 05-02-2018, 10:29 AM
 
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DURHAM, N.C. — “Downtown just ain’t black enough for me,” Paul Scott wrote in The Durham Herald-Sun a couple of months ago. A minister and local newspaper columnist, Mr. Scott was echoing a sentiment voiced by many of the city’s longtime African-American residents: The city center does not feel welcoming to them anymore.

“My concern is that when you go downtown on any given evening or on a weekend, you don’t see a whole lot of black faces there,” Mr. Scott said later in an interview.

This city has seen an enormous amount of change over the past decade. Its central business district has gone from empty and lacking investment to thriving. And more development is on the way.

As a result of the growth, local officials find themselves grappling with a crisis over affordable housing. But what has been largely overlooked is the cultural displacement that can accompany rapid urban change: the sense that home is not home anymore, at least for a portion of the population.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/01/b...te-growth.html
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Old 05-02-2018, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX and wherever planes fly
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Gentrification can be done right. but generally it is not. Oakland California and Washington DC are two of the most prolific examples. It really is the property taxes that get people in the end. Also business owners who have successful local business are torn as asunder when whole foods or whomever (insert large corporate company with deep pockets) move in.

Instead of working with those persons who are already in place in areas that were deemed undesirable just a decade or two ago. Developers act and care not about those displaced due to the rapidly changing circumstances around them.
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Old 05-02-2018, 03:00 PM
 
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DURHAM, N.C. — “Downtown just ain’t black enough for me,” Paul Scott wrote in The Durham Herald-Sun a couple of months ago.
15 years ago when I lived in Durham, there were no people at all in downtown Durham. Yes, there has been displacement of long time residents in areas surrounding downtown, but the city center is a much better place.
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