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Old 10-20-2018, 04:05 PM
 
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I live in DT Raleigh and thus very familiar. Through the years I've visited DT Durham on occasion, most recently last week. Looking at the two downtowns, which is currently more popular and which has more future potential?

These are my impressions and pure opinions only as I don't know much of DT Durham.
Also, not trying to knock on one downtown or another as I appreciate what each has to offer.

DT Raleigh
-- More dense (everything seems closer and connected to each other, it's like a grid)
-- Fayetteville St and Glenwood South are the two major districts, joined by up and coming Warehouse District
-- More walkable, free bus, scooters
-- More businesses and company HQs (Citrix, RedHat, PNC, etc)
-- More government entities (due to being the Capital)?
-- More museums (History, Natural Sciences, CAM)
-- More residential/luxury apts
-- More up and coming retail stores (e.g. clothing, grocers)
-- Lots of festivities mostly centered around Fayetteville St
-- Evening still seems vibrant, people walking around, feel safe


DT Durham
-- Less dense, felt need to drive from Tobacco Campus to Brightleaf to City Center to Fullsteam
-- Right next to Highway I147 makes it seem more accessible than DT Raleigh
-- DBAC is nice for sports (none in DT Raleigh)
-- DPAC is much better than Performing Arts Center in DT Raleigh
-- Are there any museums in DT Durham?
-- Less residential/luxury apts although I saw a whole large area being built next to DBAC
-- Evening felt dead along Main St., not many people, safe?
-- Unsure about businesses and company HQ (other than Tobacco Campus area)
-- Any retail stores? Is bulldega only grocer?
-- Festivities?
-- Seems more diverse and popular restaurants/dining scene

Right now it would see DT Raleigh is more popular, although potential wise DT Durham could exceed DT Raleigh?
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Old 10-20-2018, 07:12 PM
 
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-- DPAC is much better than Performing Arts Center in DT Raleigh
I don't really agree with this. The only reason I go to DPAC is because they're under the Nederlander umbrella, and thus get the touring Broadway productions. But I think Duke is a better performing arts center in the sense that it offers more variety of venues. DPAC only has the one theater. Duke has four, and they're all very different and serve different purposes. And frankly, I've never been fond of the DPAC design. Too steep for my tastes.
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Old 10-20-2018, 07:19 PM
 
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"Evening still seems vibrant, people walking around, feel safe."

that's the only thing that my wife requires.
that's why we go Raleigh vs. Durham.
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Old 10-20-2018, 07:26 PM
 
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I live in DT Raleigh and thus very familiar. Through the years I've visited DT Durham on occasion, most recently last week. Looking at the two downtowns, which is currently more popular and which has more future potential?

These are my impressions and pure opinions only as I don't know much of DT Durham.
Also, not trying to knock on one downtown or another as I appreciate what each has to offer.

DT Raleigh
-- More dense (everything seems closer and connected to each other, it's like a grid)
-- Fayetteville St and Glenwood South are the two major districts, joined by up and coming Warehouse District
-- More walkable, free bus, scooters
-- More businesses and company HQs (Citrix, RedHat, PNC, etc)
-- More government entities (due to being the Capital)?
-- More museums (History, Natural Sciences, CAM)
-- More residential/luxury apts
-- More up and coming retail stores (e.g. clothing, grocers)
-- Lots of festivities mostly centered around Fayetteville St
-- Evening still seems vibrant, people walking around, feel safe


DT Durham
-- Less dense, felt need to drive from Tobacco Campus to Brightleaf to City Center to Fullsteam
-- Right next to Highway I147 makes it seem more accessible than DT Raleigh
-- DBAC is nice for sports (none in DT Raleigh)
-- DPAC is much better than Performing Arts Center in DT Raleigh
-- Are there any museums in DT Durham?
-- Less residential/luxury apts although I saw a whole large area being built next to DBAC
-- Evening felt dead along Main St., not many people, safe?
-- Unsure about businesses and company HQ (other than Tobacco Campus area)
-- Any retail stores? Is bulldega only grocer?
-- Festivities?
-- Seems more diverse and popular restaurants/dining scene

Right now it would see DT Raleigh is more popular, although potential wise DT Durham could exceed DT Raleigh?
Bold Red: Durham offers the Bull City Connector, a free route linking Golden Belt to Duke Hospital. It mainly goes down Main Street and Erwin Rd. The scooters are supposed to be coming soon.

Bold Blue: Downtown has retail, but not very much; You have Brightleaf Square and a couple of assorted shops throughout Downtown. There’s also two Pharmacies Downtown.

Technically, the Bulldega is the only grocery store in Downtown Durham BUT there is a Whole Foods, a Harris Teeter, and a Co-Op not too far from Downtown. There’s also a Food Lion or two not too far away.

Bold Green: Art of Cool Festival (Depends on time of year), Moogfest which is usually during the summer, and CenterFest in September to name a couple.

Bold Orange: You have a couple of Galleries (Through This Lens, The gallery next to Center Studio Architecture), The Durham History Hub (which never seems open when I go past it) and the art museum at the 21c Hotel.

Bold Purple: You went on a Weeknight or a Weekday? Downtown Durham noticeably gets busier on Weekend nights than Weekdays. Still not as busy as Downtown Raleigh on a compatible night.

Bold Maroon: Durham is adding housing at a pretty rapid pace. Within the last few years, we had:

One City Center, The BullHouse, Bell West End, Liberty Warehouse, the new building at West Village, and Whetstone. There’s also apartments going in on Main Street (Solis Main Street, The Bartlett), Mangum (Van Alen), and the The Apartments across from University Ford. If you add the Ninth Street area into the mix, then you have the apartments on Swift Ave, The two Berkshires, and the apartments on Ninth and Green.

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Old 10-22-2018, 09:09 AM
 
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Some good, honest observations so far.
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Old 10-22-2018, 09:54 AM
 
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Fair observations I would say. Im in DTR a lot but also DTD fairly decent amount as well. There's definitely a gap but not in a negative way meant to put DTD down at all. It's just significantly farther behind. Which there are a few different and obvious reasons for. But it's still a fun place to hang out. Tobacco Campus and Brightleaf are the highlights for me as well as DBAC being a positive over Raleigh as well. All of the new focus on residential too will do great things for making it feel more lively. The train tracks in my opinion kind of hurt the connectivity a bit I would say.
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Old 10-22-2018, 10:21 AM
 
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Is it DBAC?? I always thought it was DBAP, Durham Bulls Athletic Park.

I think Durham has a little more of a creative vibe, more arts going on but both are fun places.
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Old 10-22-2018, 10:28 AM
 
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I thought downtown Durham was more dense. It's a mile and half walk from Glenwood Ave to Fayetteville St. (from one end to another)
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Old 10-22-2018, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Is it DBAC?? I always thought it was DBAP, Durham Bulls Athletic Park.

I think Durham has a little more of a creative vibe, more arts going on but both are fun places.
You’re probably right. I was thinking Durham Bulls Athletic Complex but I think it is park.
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Old 10-23-2018, 11:42 PM
 
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Thanks for all the very insightful feedback. I definitely plan to walk around DTD on the weekends.

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Bold Green: Art of Cool Festival (Depends on time of year), Moogfest which is usually during the summer, and CenterFest in September to name a couple.
Are festivals in DTD held at various locations? Do they happen often? In DTR, seems most of the events are held along Fayetteville St, and they are plentiful and often, almost 1-2 per month (e.g. Parades, Artsplosure, Sparkcon, Bikefest, NYE, Food Truck Rodeos, OutRaleigh, Marathons, Hopscotch, Bluegrass, International Festival, etc)

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It's just significantly farther behind. Which there are a few different and obvious reasons for.
Which obvious reasons?

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All of the new focus on residential too will do great things for making it feel more lively.
There must be demand for these residential so DTD must be doing something right
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