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Old 10-20-2019, 05:55 PM
 
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"...any suggestions for what really works?"

1. is it a four-way stop?
2. details, please.
3. maybe a map?
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Old 10-21-2019, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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Is it a legit stop sign? By that I mean does it really affect safety? We have one in our neighborhood that is pointless that was built with the assumption of another cross road extension going in and it never happened. While "technically" a stop sign, it really serves no purpose and most roll quickly through it.
Legit? It doesn't matter, it is a stop sign put up by the town/city/county/state. Laws aren't made for everyone to pick and choose which ones they want to obey. They are laws for a reason, whether you agree or not.
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Old 10-21-2019, 03:24 PM
 
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Legit? It doesn't matter, it is a stop sign put up by the town/city/county/state. Laws aren't made for everyone to pick and choose which ones they want to obey. They are laws for a reason, whether you agree or not.
While I agree and abide, from what I have seen over the past couple years is driving etiquette has devolved so far it's become a foregone conclusion, and it's not going to improve, and probably will just get worse. Not here anyway, with the lack of police oversight that other states have.
Poor drivers are setting poor habits for newer drivers, and, dumbing down the driving courtesy level for all drivers.
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Old 10-21-2019, 03:28 PM
 
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Legit? It doesn't matter, it is a stop sign put up by the town/city/county/state. Laws aren't made for everyone to pick and choose which ones they want to obey. They are laws for a reason, whether you agree or not.

Reminds me of a joke one of my roommates in college had when he was designated driver.

"Oh, those stop signs with the white frame around them...those are optional."

Once I realized that was the vast majority of stops signs, did I get it.
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Old 10-21-2019, 03:32 PM
 
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Legit? It doesn't matter, it is a stop sign put up by the town/city/county/state. Laws aren't made for everyone to pick and choose which ones they want to obey. They are laws for a reason, whether you agree or not.
There are criteria for the installation of stop signs, just as there are for other traffic control devices such as traffic signals. It may not be an appropriate place for a stop sign.

Warrants for stop sign installation are covered in the Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD.) The MUTCD is adopted by the State as covering the design and installation of signs, signals and the like. Therefore, a stop sign not authorized by the MUTCD would be in technical violation of state law.

Neighborhood all-way stops are notorious for not meeting warrants for such control. Doesn't stop towns from installing them, which lessens respect and compliance for the device.

As somebody else has asked, could you point to the location.
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Old 10-21-2019, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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There are criteria for the installation of stop signs, just as there are for other traffic control devices such as traffic signals. It may not be an appropriate place for a stop sign.

Warrants for stop sign installation are covered in the Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD.) The MUTCD is adopted by the State as covering the design and installation of signs, signals and the like. Therefore, a stop sign not authorized by the MUTCD would be in technical violation of state law.

Neighborhood all-way stops are notorious for not meeting warrants for such control. Doesn't stop towns from installing them, which lessens respect and compliance for the device.

As somebody else has asked, could you point to the location.
It may not be compliant with MUTCD, but if the sign has been installed by the local government then we all have the obligation to comply. If we all can pick and choose when to be compliant, then why have laws at all?
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Old 10-21-2019, 04:29 PM
 
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If we all can pick and choose when to be compliant, then why have laws at all?

We all can pick and choose Stop signs on private property, like shopping centers.



(Police don't have to enforce signs on private property.)


That "pick and choose" then seems to apply after leaving the shopping center.
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Old 10-21-2019, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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In Europe most “stop” signs are yield signs. This makes way more sense in neighborhoods than arbitrarily placed stop signs.

And in Italy even red lights are optional. So maybe these drivers choose to identify as Italian?
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Old 10-21-2019, 06:59 PM
 
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We all can pick and choose Stop signs on private property, like shopping centers.
(Police don't have to enforce signs on private property.)
That "pick and choose" then seems to apply after leaving the shopping center.
By "pick and choose" I guess you mean "stoptional"....

Good to know about the private property enforcement thing because, as mental as I am about coming to a full 2-3-second stop at all stop signs, I always blow through the dumb one after the gas pumps at Costco.
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Old 10-22-2019, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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We all can pick and choose Stop signs on private property, like shopping centers.



(Police don't have to enforce signs on private property.)


That "pick and choose" then seems to apply after leaving the shopping center.
Have at it!
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