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Old 03-29-2023, 08:19 PM
 
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If "studies show" the sky isn't blue, then the researchers might be selling umbrellas.
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Old 03-30-2023, 04:30 AM
 
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Facts matter, even if one does not like them. There have been multiple studies showing this.
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Old 03-30-2023, 05:26 AM
 
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It's easy to publish facts saying SROs aren't effective, but if you've ever spend lots of time in a school with an SRO you will learn they are effective in ways that are seldom measured.

They know the kid with the short fuse and have the ability to handle an incident with little or no fanfare.
They see an issue developing in the cafeteria and move to stop it before it begins.
They watch for things that teachers and administrators don't see or even look for and, as Barney Fife would put it, "nip it, nip it in the bud".

At a recess I've seen elementary teachers herding a classroom back into the building and focusing on each student as they enter. I've seen the SRO come around behind the teacher and check to be sure the door was completely latched while the teacher overlooked that "minor" point.

The HS SRO that will make a sweep of the student parking lot during classes to check for random activity that shouldn't be happening at that time.

They are trained to know what a drug exchange looks like in a bathroom or hallway. They don't have classroom or office duties that take their focus away from surveillance.

So many things they do during the course of the day are unmeasurable and seldom reported for publication on a "fact" sheet.
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Old 03-30-2023, 05:34 AM
 
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Let’s be honest with ourselves, the debate over SROs is purely political, and politics should never take precedence over children’s safety.
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Old 03-30-2023, 05:50 AM
 
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the debate over SROs is purely political, and politics should never take precedence over children’s safety.
The debate over gun control is purely political and politics should never take precedence over children’s safety, but it does. The rest of the developed world has stronger gun control figured out, but the US continues to take no action or loosens gun laws.
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Old 03-30-2023, 06:05 AM
 
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The debate over gun control is purely political and politics should never take precedence over children’s safety, but it does. The rest of the developed world has stronger gun control figured out, but the US continues to take no action or loosens gun laws.
Once again, I don’t disagree.
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Old 03-30-2023, 07:59 AM
 
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It's easy to publish facts saying SROs aren't effective, but if you've ever spend lots of time in a school with an SRO you will learn they are effective in ways that are seldom measured.

They know the kid with the short fuse and have the ability to handle an incident with little or no fanfare.
They see an issue developing in the cafeteria and move to stop it before it begins.
They watch for things that teachers and administrators don't see or even look for and, as Barney Fife would put it, "nip it, nip it in the bud".

At a recess I've seen elementary teachers herding a classroom back into the building and focusing on each student as they enter. I've seen the SRO come around behind the teacher and check to be sure the door was completely latched while the teacher overlooked that "minor" point.

The HS SRO that will make a sweep of the student parking lot during classes to check for random activity that shouldn't be happening at that time.

They are trained to know what a drug exchange looks like in a bathroom or hallway. They don't have classroom or office duties that take their focus away from surveillance.

So many things they do during the course of the day are unmeasurable and seldom reported for publication on a "fact" sheet.
Back in my school days these tasks would be handled by the school dean, who BTW also had a big paddle in their office and weren't afraid to use it when necessary. The police would be called in only when necessary if crimes or assaults were committed. Our society has really fallen when trained police officers are required to be on school campus every day. Maybe it's time to revisit things that worked really well in the past.
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Old 03-30-2023, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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Back in my school days these tasks would be handled by the school dean, who BTW also had a big paddle in their office and weren't afraid to use it when necessary. The police would be called in only when necessary if crimes or assaults were committed. Our society has really fallen when trained police officers are required to be on school campus every day. Maybe it's time to revisit things that worked really well in the past.
Yeah.
Big Paddle vs. an AR-15 with a bump stock, wielded by a disturbed 19 year old in tactical gear, carrying 300 rounds of .223 in multiple magazines.

Hope the ol' Dean is an absolute Jedi master with the Force on his side.
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Old 03-30-2023, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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The debate over gun control is purely political and politics should never take precedence over children’s safety, but it does. The rest of the developed world has stronger gun control figured out, but the US continues to take no action or loosens gun laws.
Disagree.
The debate is simplistic and minimally intellectual, but is fueled by MILLIONS of dollars in NRA and manufacturer lobbying money, mostly to Congresspeople who are bought like chattel to support the continuing flood of guns onto our streets.

It is a "Follow The Dollars" dynamic.
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Old 03-30-2023, 09:19 AM
 
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Yeah.
Big Paddle vs. an AR-15 with a bump stock, wielded by a disturbed 19 year old in tactical gear, carrying 300 rounds of .223 in multiple magazines.

Hope the ol' Dean is an absolute Jedi master with the Force on his side.
Yeah....until the SRO is too scared to enter the building to confront the shooter, but that never happens...right??
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