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Old 01-11-2010, 07:03 PM
 
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SAS researcher critical of Wake schools' performance measures :: WRAL.com

Really puts a whole lot in a very poor light here.
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Old 01-11-2010, 07:32 PM
 
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Sometimes I wonder if kids would care more about their education if they had a vested interest in it. For example whenever my parents bought me something I wouldn't treat it so well, when I had to work for the item I took care of it.

Offering "free" education is great in theory however whenever you give something away for "free" that tends to devalue it, psychologically at least.
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Old 01-11-2010, 09:29 PM
 
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Isn't it curious that SAS, owned by Jim Goodnight (and friends), is allowing his employees to release reports critical of the Wake County schools when Jim Goodnight also owns a private high school that competes with Wake County schools?

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SAS researcher critical of Wake schools' performance measures :: WRAL.com

Really puts a whole lot in a very poor light here.
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Old 01-11-2010, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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Isn't it curious that SAS, owned by Jim Goodnight (and friends), is allowing his employees to release reports critical of the Wake County schools when Jim Goodnight also owns a private high school that competes with Wake County schools?
Say it isn't so! Mr Goodnight, who literally owns 1/2 the town of Cary, including much of the real estate WCPSS would like to build new schools on, isn't quite the philanthropist people think he is?
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Old 01-11-2010, 11:07 PM
 
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When you compare his massive wealth and the percentage he spends on philanthropic pursuits to the nation's past great philanthropists and what they spent, no, I don't think so. I'm sure he does a lot of wonderful things, but I'm sure he could do much better.

He is a businessman.

In this 2003 report, it shows the Goodnight Education Foundation donated $405,000 to organizations in NC.
http://goodnight-educational-foundat...m#GranteesList

In 2008, they contributed $422,000. http://207.153.189.83/EINS/566533546...8_052C258C.PDF

Whoopee.

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Say it isn't so! Mr Goodnight, who literally owns 1/2 the town of Cary, including much of the real estate WCPSS would like to build new schools on, isn't quite the philanthropist people think he is?

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Old 01-12-2010, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Durham, NC
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When you compare his massive wealth and the percentage he spends on philanthropic pursuits to the nation's past great philanthropists and what they spent, no, I don't think so. I'm sure he does a lot of wonderful things, but I'm sure he could do much better.

He is a businessman.

In this 2003 report, it shows the Goodnight Education Foundation donated $405,000 to organizations in NC.
Info: Foundation, Nonprofit: Goodnight Educational Foundation - Grants Given for Year 2003 - $405,000

In 2008, they contributed $422,000. http://207.153.189.83/EINS/566533546...8_052C258C.PDF

Whoopee.
It seems unfair to judge someone's philathropic pursuits based on their giving to one organization. I imagine Mr. Goodnight's giving is to many more organizations and comprises many more $$$ than you've noted above.

Additionally, he is a businessman, and his SAS assets are certainly far more valuable than his private school. I'd guess a large percent of SAS employees send their kids to public schools in Wake County. Given this it would be in Mr. Goodnight's interest to insure that WCPSS's flaws are pointed out and corrected in order to continue leveraging the public schools in recruiting and retaining key talent at SAS.
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Old 01-12-2010, 08:07 AM
 
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Goodnight doesn't really need to do anything special to divert students to Cary Academy. That's not on his agenda.
He is also tight with the owners of Capital broadcasting/WRAL who are none too fond of the new school board/direction. You don't have to look too hard to see plenty of journalistic bias in their reporting of school board news.
I think the SAS report calls it like it sees it. No matter how you may feel about the new direction the school board is taking or their methodologies, the old way of doing things in the WCPSS was NOT WORKING. Sweeping the poor performance of minority students under the rug and trying to spread out underperforming kids among multiple schools doesn't change anything.
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Old 01-12-2010, 08:16 AM
 
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People. Forget about Goodnight. I'm more concerned that this is the district where our children go to school and our educated in.

Below are exact quotes from the article. It shows how much Wake wants to hide the socio economic low scores so they don't have to deal with it. Not only is it the redistricting but the models used to assess these students we find out. It's only hurting the disadvantaged student more. The students are not being given an opportunity to succeed and the district avoids having to be held accountable.

"It makes the schools appear better than they are," Dr. William Sanders, senior manager of SAS's value-added assessment and research, told Wake County commissioners Monday. He said the school system uses a model that places low expectations on groups of students because of their socio-economic status. Sanders said that based on his review of student performance data, the school system is "hiding inequities that exist that our policymakers have to deal with."
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Old 01-12-2010, 08:23 AM
 
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It is just too easy to not deal with problems. I would like to know what WCPSS has to say about this and what plan do they have already in action to show this is not true. This is a disgrace that somebody actually would have had to morally make the decision to only put the higher performing students in Algebra, which makes the algebra scores high and brings up the regular math classes as well. It will always be the privilaged kids whose parents will fight and find ways to get them into the higher classes even if it is just as simple as bugging an administrator to death. The underprivilaged kids (usually minorities) will not do this and quite frankly might be intimidated to stand up to administrators b/c they fill their own education is not hight enough.

Just my .02
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Old 01-12-2010, 10:46 AM
 
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Oh really Dorothy? The hype about WCPSS is perhaps smoke and mirrors? Show us the numbers Dr. Burns as isn't it all about positive data and positive data trends? What are the drop out rates again? Hmmmm if Free Reduced Meal students only have a 54% graduation rate how does that impact the data for high schools and graduation related data, senior related data etc etc etc etc. Hmmmmmmm! What is the SAT participation rate when you include all who should be in the senior class etc.
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