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Old 06-24-2008, 10:28 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Should be no different than any other profession . Even Doctors practice on their patients , that how they learn...........by taking care of the customer. Those looking for quick profits , cut corners , and , it shows. Any contract should be balanced, and , be a win-win for both parties , if not , move on. Contracts are meant to be broken , when one or the other does not preform. Seller and agent should have equal rights. Exclusives , should be illegal , for any amount of time period.
Again Life is not fair. Get over it.

The ability to make a successful living in RE, the ability to do RE well, and providing good customer service are all differnet things.

Any time they occur together it is a relatively rare event.

Many of the people who make a very good living at Real Estate are not very good at it. And being good at it is not a requirement.

If there is any requirement it is that you cannot be catostrophically bad and make a living at it. But that is real bad.

Of course it is win win...you get the house the RE Agent gets paid. None of that has anything to do with how well he did his job

Contract is a contract. If you don't like it...don't sign it.
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Old 06-25-2008, 06:52 AM
 
Location: State of Superior
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Like in any profession , there is the natural desire to band together for the common good of the fold. Thats why there are lobbyists at the State and federal level, however , the trend today , in the eyes of the public, is against 'special interests".
Open entry , free market , are the buzz words of today, and will continue to be the way things go , until , ...sometime in the future...when the pendulum swings the other way , and we have a renewed movement for regulation. I think that the deregulation movement still has a way to go. The Internet has changed the way we all do business. It will take a major overhaul of Government to see any reversal , maybe , a doomsday is around the corner , maybe not, ether way , history repeats itself , stay tuned........
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Old 06-25-2008, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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stephanieuk, YOU may conspire (or whatever word you want to call it) with some other agents in YOUR area against FSBO's, but not I, and not here. And speaking as a fellow agent, if you do, I'm appalled - it flies in the face of the Code of Ethics to do so.
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Old 06-25-2008, 07:49 AM
 
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Texas Horse Lady

Read all the other pages of comments. If you want to honest truth about me..... I have always pointed out FSBO and flat fee listings. But don't turn your head the other way...seriously. If you think the world, or your market is "perfect" maybe you should find a different job. I'm just being realistic, it happens, everyday...all of the time.
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Old 06-25-2008, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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stephanieuk, I have "read the other pages of comments". And I don't turn my head away, but the fact that there are a few bad apples (and usually the rest of us come to know who they are and deal accordingly) doesn't mean that it is common practice. So the answer would not be "Yes" to the question above. The answer would be, "No, with a few exceptions who lack ethics," as in any other field.
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Old 06-25-2008, 08:56 AM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Like in any profession , there is the natural desire to band together for the common good of the fold. Thats why there are lobbyists at the State and federal level, however , the trend today , in the eyes of the public, is against 'special interests".
Open entry , free market , are the buzz words of today, and will continue to be the way things go , until , ...sometime in the future...when the pendulum swings the other way , and we have a renewed movement for regulation. I think that the deregulation movement still has a way to go. The Internet has changed the way we all do business. It will take a major overhaul of Government to see any reversal , maybe , a doomsday is around the corner , maybe not, ether way , history repeats itself , stay tuned........
Lobbyist represent the brokers and the industry...definitely not the agents.

Those looking for open entry and free markets are simply delusional. FSBOs and even discount brokerages are in heavy decline. Can't stand a thin market. Foreclosures wreck FSBOs...the RE Agents get all those who value house above price. FSBOs simply lack exposure in that market. Sure you can list on Craig's List. Who is going to find you? Try an ad in the Paper...who still reads that?
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Old 06-25-2008, 10:11 AM
 
Location: State of Superior
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Lobbyist represent the brokers and the industry...definitely not the agents.

Those looking for open entry and free markets are simply delusional. FSBOs and even discount brokerages are in heavy decline. Can't stand a thin market. Foreclosures wreck FSBOs...the RE Agents get all those who value house above price. FSBOs simply lack exposure in that market. Sure you can list on Craig's List. Who is going to find you? Try an ad in the Paper...who still reads that?
You are SO wrong... Lobbyist represent the industry, agents , work for the broker , or , maybe you don't need a broker......now , thats deregulation ! You said it , not me..
FSBO can cover a lot of areas. Its not just some poor sole wondering about with no goal, trying to sell his house. The last home I sold was on Ebay , and , for cash. Money talks these days , liquidity is whats its all about in this discounted market. If I had waited around for some " agent" , or Broker , I would still have the place . Way too many real estate agents , and way too many homes for sale these days to set around on your butt and see nothing happen !
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Old 06-25-2008, 11:00 AM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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You are SO wrong... Lobbyist represent the industry, agents , work for the broker , or , maybe you don't need a broker......now , thats deregulation ! You said it , not me..
FSBO can cover a lot of areas. Its not just some poor sole wondering about with no goal, trying to sell his house. The last home I sold was on Ebay , and , for cash. Money talks these days , liquidity is whats its all about in this discounted market. If I had waited around for some " agent" , or Broker , I would still have the place . Way too many real estate agents , and way too many homes for sale these days to set around on your butt and see nothing happen !

But of course. Ebay has two Las Vegas listings...a time share and an overpriced land parcel. That is really going to revolutionize things.

Sorry but Lobbyists work almost exclusively for the Brokers. For instance why do you think licensing is so permissive? Because it is good for the brokers even though it is bad for the agents.

You are simply flailing in the dark.
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Old 06-25-2008, 01:58 PM
 
Location: State of Superior
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But of course. Ebay has two Las Vegas listings...a time share and an overpriced land parcel. That is really going to revolutionize things.

Sorry but Lobbyists work almost exclusively for the Brokers. For instance why do you think licensing is so permissive? Because it is good for the brokers even though it is bad for the agents.

You are simply flailing in the dark.
Sorry , but I stand by my statement. Talk is cheap , its performance that counts. From personal experience I have sold all my homes in the past , myself. Agents have their place , I do not deny that , however , when you want to get things done , DO IT YOURSELF. I have grown very tired of the dance performed by a lot of the agent community, anything to get a listing , little in the way of attention after. You would be lucky If some of them remember your name ! I pay for performance , thats it !
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Old 06-25-2008, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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The ability to make a successful living in RE, the ability to do RE well, and providing good customer service are all differnet things.

Any time they occur together it is a relatively rare event.

Many of the people who make a very good living at Real Estate are not very good at it. And being good at it is not a requirement.

If there is any requirement it is that you cannot be catostrophically bad and make a living at it. But that is real bad.
This is probably the most real statement I have read about the profession. Most of the people who make a very good living at Real Estate are above all else, very good sales people. They are not selling homes. They are selling the homeowner or development management, to use them.
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