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Old 11-06-2012, 12:42 PM
Location: Gilbert - Val Vista Lakes
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Originally Posted by Jaggy001 View Post
...I often wonder why we bother. Maybe we should disband the association, sell the clubhouse, tennis courts and pool for development and distribute the money ..... oh wait .... they don't want that either.
What people don't realize is that if there are no board members then an administrator will be appointed (by the county I believe) to oversee the operation.

That administrator will probably have assistants, and where before, the HOA had unpaid volunteers running the HOA, the HOA now has PAID people running the HOA, and guess who will be footing the bill?

Right, the homeowners who didn't want to volunteer. They will be paid, and it won't be cheap labor. And they will be paid until they feel they have a board they can turn the operation back over to.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by IC_deLight View Post
Yeah, really.

"property management"? Did the homeowner that is the target of your letter ask you to manage THEIR property? You don't work in property management. You work in HOA management - and your targets are the involuntary members of the HOA corporation.
The HOA's BOD choose the property management company. Any homeowner who buys into a HOA should be aware that they are buying into a community which has a management company to take care of common areas such as community pools, lawn care, roads etc...Why would you think it was the management company "targeting" members of the HOA? It is the Board of Directors who govern the community, not the management company.

You have confused "the community" with the HOA corporation. The board of directors "governs" the HOA corporation. The board of directors is not a government over the homeowners.

The "common area" of a condo might be truly owned in common. However, referring to HOA-property as "common property" is a complete misnomer. It isn't common area.
Like I said above, common areas in a HOA would be pool, tennis courts, roads, possibly landscaping...

Those are not "common areas". They are simply property of the HOA. They are not owned by anyone other than the HOA corporation

Yeah, the management companies and boards seem to like to target children, flags, veterans, and individuals with disabilities. Happens over and over and over again like clockwork. But the management company is more than happy to recommend the very "rules" they claim they are "enforcing". Blind obedience - what a quality.
Management companies do not recommend the rules which the Rules & Regulation Committees come up with; rules and regulations come from the community's Condo docs and are voted upon in BOD meetings.

Condos are not HOAs. Also management companies absolutely recommend rules, resolutions, and all sorts of things for their financial benefit. They just need some ignorant person on the board to sign the paperwork.

Speaking generically, people don't like you or your company. They particularly do not like to receive claims of "violation" alleged by anonymous busybodies sent in form letters from "management companies". There is not even a debate - you admitted this by your comment.
Again, the property management company only sends violations when the Rules & Regulations Committee requests this service.

If you are getting paid then the perhaps the HOA corp should be forced to pay the people targeted by this process to respond. You see no problems with drawing residents into a process like this. You are not a judge or a court and neither are your employers. "Fining" and "notices of violation" by HOAs should be outlawed. You have a beef? Tell your employer to take it to court. Last time I looked interpretation of restrictive covenants was deemed the practice of law. Are you licensed to practice law? Is your employer? Maybe you should be prosecuted for the unauthorized practice of law.

Violations and fines are not set up by the property management firm; violations and fines are set up by the Board of Directors.

A board of directors has no business engaging in private fining. However, in my experience it is the management company that promotes fining and many other bad practices...Then the management company turns around and disclaims all responsibility for their dirty work. When you start seeing the same policies that allegedly originated with a board start showing up at multiple HOA-burdened subdivisions, you might realize that the management company is the culprit because it is the only thing in common.

....meaning you could make more money doing something else?

Management companies tend to charge $$ for each letter sent out - hence the incentive to flood the subdivision with accusations of "violations". In addition many management companies have tying arrangements between the insurance they have recommended to their clients and the ongoing employment of the management company. Once the HOA has signed on to the management company recommended insurance, there is an incentive for the management company to provoke a lawsuit. At that point the HOA cannot fire the management company without losing its insurance and it can't get coverage elsewhere while the litigation is pending.
Your information above is incorrect.

Not in my experience.

No offense, but... helping "the community"? You speak as if "the community" is a person. It is not. The "community" is not your client. The HOA corporation is NOT "the community" - at best it is one member of it.

If you are referring to the people living within the project as "the community", I'm sure that those who receive your letters do not appreciate receiving them nor do they appreciate your expectation that they should have to respond back to you. They did not hire you, they did not contract with you.

Once again, Violation letters are sent at the request of the Board of Directors by way of the Rules & Regulations. Anyone buying into a Condominium, Co-op, HOA or mobile home park should be duly informed by their realtor about the nature of living the property. Owners should understand that they will be governed by a Declaration of Condominium, Co-op, HOA or mobile home park and the specific list of rules and regulations that exist. Some properties are more extreme than others in enforcement of Rules & Regulations. Living in such an environment with strict rules & regulations is not for everyone.

Yeah, it's not for anyone except the management company and the board of directors. Pretty much excludes 99% of the property owners every time.
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Old 11-10-2012, 11:33 AM
Location: downtown Sarasota
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^^ Your replies are very misleading. Obviously you got burned bad somewhere in HOA or condoland. Sorry for your pain. Property management firms are not the monsters you make them out to be; I will say it again, before purchasing a home, condo, co-op or mobile home parcel, get a copy of the condominium documents and read them thoroughly. Read the rules & regulations. Attend a board meeting. Read prior board meeting minutes. Every Association is different; some good, some not so good. Having a good BOD is really important. I worked for five years on Longboat Key for an awesome property management firm and on-site at a great property. I also worked on-site for almost a year a condo conversion property. Everyone was pissed off because when the apartments went condo, they bought at high dollar back in 2006 and then the market fell out. The BOD was poorly run and the community suffered for it. Having a cohesive Board that knows what they're doing makes everything in the Association run smoothly, obviously. Many people move to Florida without a clue, the realtors don't explain things and the buyers suffer.
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Old 08-11-2016, 10:38 PM
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My situation is similar. Mostly "violations" for things like my kids "unnattended in the common areas" my kids are 12 and 17 and hardly go outside. One said they were leaving their bikes in other people's yards. Which never happened as they are in my yard. I'm not sure these people even know which apartment I live in. Everytime we go to the pool, which isn't much due to the fact of its like an interrogation every single time. You would think after 3 years of living here they would know that I live here. It's very frustrating! Last year I had to call the police on one of them because she was drunk and holding on to my son so he couldn't come and get me in the house so she could take pictures of him riding his bike in the parking lot. Mind you, we don't really have a lot of room. The parking lot is the one gravel really until you get out to the street and about 6 steps from my door. Anyway, it's been quiet for a while and now we get the pool thing again saying we have unauthorized people in the pool. They told my management co that they may not let me renew my lease this Jan. The owner of my condo knows how they are and is fine with me renewing. I'm planning on writing them a letter and also having 2 of my neighbors vouch for me as well. They say my boys are very well behaved all the time and they don't know how I do it (single mom) so I will attach their letters to mine. Anyone have any other advice? Besides get the hell out of there lol. It's a great location for me, 3 miles away from work, and about 5 miles away from my kids school and my college. Also a very good price.
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Old 08-12-2016, 02:43 PM
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The owner of your condo will likely be the one renewing the lease.

I can't imagine the HOA having any say in it. All they can do is send threatening letters and fine the owners. Has the HOA done this?
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Old 08-15-2016, 09:58 AM
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Who is the tenant?

My condo one owner decided to rent to a young couple who guy was a drunk, she was a drug addict, had a large dog and both smoked. He would sit on deck all day smoking and drinking and had a dirty old car and trash old patio furniture.

None is against the rules. But all the other owners would be on a witch hunt if he broke any actually rules as they wanted tenant out.

Also we have some absentee owners who free ride on boards volunteer work. We have an owner or two who rents who helps out on board.

My current tenant looks like they could be on a Jcrew catalog and work 12 hours days, the neighbors love them and I never had issues HOA.
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