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Old 08-06-2013, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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It sounds like the document you have is an "unofficial copy" which is why the name of the attorney and other identifying information has been omitted. Normally a document of this type will have some identifying entries like:

"When recorded mail to:" or the address of the party, the attorney's name and address etc. Some information that you can use to trace backwards.

I would check with the county recorders office and see if there is an "official" version that has more information. You will likely have to pay a small fee to obtain it.
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Old 08-06-2013, 10:53 AM
 
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It sounds like the document you have is an "unofficial copy" which is why the name of the attorney and other identifying information has been omitted. Normally a document of this type will have some identifying entries like:

I would check with the county recorders office and see if there is an "official" version that has more information. You will likely have to pay a small fee to obtain it.
Nothing was omitted. I posted the exact text of the part of the document I could see on their website.
I intentionally left off the lawyers name.
That website uses "redaction" to block online lookers from seeing all of the document. It's all there but redaction, a way to black out the bottom half, is used to not allow the names and signatures at the bottom to be seen. They want to collect a fee to see all of it. It's a complete online copy of the original per the county website and I've viewed dozens of similar documents in other counties and states.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:50 AM
 
Location: North America
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settlor: Person who created the trust.

trustee: Person who holds the property for another

Full force and effect: means the agreement is still good.

Basically it means that the agreement is still good though Jane X Doe was changed her name to Jane Smith.
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Old 08-06-2013, 12:39 PM
 
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"in full force and effect" could be significant.

It can mean not revoked, not amended, not modified, not terminated.
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Old 08-07-2013, 12:06 PM
 
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I searched the name of the married couple instead of the name of the settlor and trustee. I searched a different section on the county website. Deeds.
There under the name of the married couple was this:

Date: ........
Grantor: Jane X. Doe
Grantee: the married couple
Address: ........
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Same date
Grantor: the married couple
Grantee: another indivudual.
Address was the same.

So a 3 way 3 party transfer of ownership on the same date of the same piece of property.
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Old 08-07-2013, 04:56 PM
 
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So a 3 way 3 party transfer of ownership on the same date of the same piece of property.
That wouldn't be particularly unusual if the married couple had originally bought the property on a Land Contract. In order to sell the property, they would need to pay off the Land Contract and get the Deed recorded in their name. Having that happen on the same day as the re-sale is rather common. (Not that any of this seems to help with your search.)
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Old 08-07-2013, 05:37 PM
 
Location: southwest TN
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I searched the name of the married couple instead of the name of the settlor and trustee. I searched a different section on the county website. Deeds.
There under the name of the married couple was this:

Date: ........
Grantor: Jane X. Doe
Grantee: the married couple
Address: ........
-------------------------------------------
Same date
Grantor: the married couple
Grantee: another indivudual.
Address was the same.

So a 3 way 3 party transfer of ownership on the same date of the same piece of property.
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That wouldn't be particularly unusual if the married couple had originally bought the property on a Land Contract. In order to sell the property, they would need to pay off the Land Contract and get the Deed recorded in their name. Having that happen on the same day as the re-sale is rather common. (Not that any of this seems to help with your search.)
It is not at all unusual to have deeds recorded back to back. Especially when dealing with a trust. Jane X may have been the trustee of the trust but the property may have been held by the trust pending the disbursement of the entire estate of person A and Jane was simply the trustee, thereby making her the grantor. It sometimes takes a while to settle an estate, up to two years is not unusual for large estates, and during that time, the "married couple" may have arranged to sell the property they knew they were inheriting.

And then there is what Jack says.

Do not read more into this chain of events.
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Old 08-10-2013, 11:56 AM
 
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What we needed to know about the matter was fully explained here. Thanks.
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