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Old 12-10-2007, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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My point exactly as to why homeownership is suited for so few people

Too many people still want their toys AND their house.
But, it still comes down to two words: Freedom - Choice

They have the FREEDOM to make that CHOICE.

Thank God they do
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Old 12-10-2007, 03:47 PM
 
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Nope - was not a doctor or lawyer. A working stiff. Worked hard.

We did not have health insurance back then - of course, we really didn't need it either -

And, I did "manage" to do so - and, for my generation, it was not outside the norm
I won't continue to argue such a point. The statistics widely available of consumer debt and median income vs. house prices speak for themselves. If folks weren't so cash strapped, you wouldn't have seen so much zero down, neg am, no doc, 40 year, and other Ponzi scheme like "creative" mortgage products available.

Anecdotal evidence may work for you and those you knew, but it's not indicative of the population as a whole.
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Old 12-10-2007, 03:50 PM
 
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But, it still comes down to two words: Freedom - Choice

They have the FREEDOM to make that CHOICE.

Thank God they do
Ugh. The point is they are trying to do both and as evidenced by sneaking in government headed private subprime bailouts, are apparently failing to do so.
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Old 12-10-2007, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Ugh. The point is they are trying to do both and as evidenced by sneaking in government headed private subprime bailouts, are apparently failing to do so.
There is no bailout -

There is no government money in the Administrations proposal
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Old 12-10-2007, 03:52 PM
 
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There is no bailout -

There is no government money in the Administrations proposal
I said government headed. Kremlin officials met with financial leaders to drum up the deal.

It's a partial bailout in the form of interest rate freezes, privately induced. Investors will NOT be happy to hear about this and will likely tighten mortgage standards further.
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Old 12-10-2007, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I won't continue to argue such a point. The statistics widely available of consumer debt and median income vs. house prices speak for themselves. If folks weren't so cash strapped, you wouldn't have seen so much zero down, neg am, no doc, 40 year, and other Ponzi scheme like "creative" mortgage products available.

Anecdotal evidence may work for you and those you knew, but it's not indicative of the population as a whole.
40 years ago - things were a little different.

20 year mortgage

And, you can actually get a 50 year loan today
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Old 12-10-2007, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I said government headed. Kremlin officials met with financial leaders to drum up the deal.

It's a partial bailout in the form of interest rate freezes, privately induced.
No Kremlin officials were involved

Sorry to disappoint you

It is not a bailout - in any shape, fashion or form
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Old 12-10-2007, 03:55 PM
 
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40 years ago - things were a little different.

20 year mortgage

And, you can actually get a 50 year loan today
I'm sorry. This is too easy. You are making my point for me.

I will agree this much. Things are indeed different today, and we're seeing the effects of that in the coming months and years with falling prices.
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Old 12-10-2007, 03:58 PM
 
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No Kremlin officials were involved

Sorry to disappoint you

It is not a bailout - in any shape, fashion or form
Paulson headed the meeting. Bush "unveiled" it. Moscow central command was directly involved.

It's politically clever to introduce the freezing of rates because you can't DIRECTLY call it a bailout, and a kickback will be presented in the form of a Fed cut this week.

It's a fantastic Christmas present for those who deserve a lump of coal this year.
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Old 12-10-2007, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I'm sorry. This is too easy. You are making my point for me.

I will agree this much. Things are indeed different today, and we're seeing the effects of that in the coming months and years with falling prices.
Actually - this cycle is no different than the other 3 I have survived, and thrived though.

BTW, I'm curious, do you own your own home?

We are building our summer home (actually log home) in Sitka, Alaska - really looking forward to it
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