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Old 06-12-2018, 11:28 AM
 
Location: North of Boston
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What housing shortage?
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Old 06-12-2018, 11:39 AM
 
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Yes you have been misinformed. Many have. Most intentionally so.

There's an active community of blogger types currently perpetuating that error.
MW was intended only as a floor for the dollar amount to be guaranteed (without union help etc).

Live with someone else... like family. Or a friend. Or a working spouse.
Or in a boarding house of some sort.

Target one WEEKLY net paycheck to cover all MONTHLY housing expenses.


I am single, with 2 room mates. works out well, I could eat mortgage alone but why?
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Old 06-12-2018, 12:06 PM
 
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they should develop some skills/a trade that pays more, for starters. If one wants to do "the minimum" in life, then one should expect the minimum throughout their life. Minimum pay, minimum success, minimum learning and personal growth. minimal future.

And i worked jobs in high school and college that started at the minimum wage, and at least 2 that never paid more than.
Incredibly ableist.

So if all you can do - let’s say you’re like me and had a brain injury in your 20s, thanks to brain tumors, only it was more severe than mine - is flip burgers or perform customer service or whatever, and you do it well and reliably, you aren’t supposed to have any quality of life?

#apagewhereallyoucansayisyikes
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Old 06-12-2018, 12:10 PM
 
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Yes you have been misinformed. Many have. Most intentionally so.

There's an active community of blogger types currently perpetuating that error.
MW was intended only as a floor for the dollar amount to be guaranteed (without union help etc).

Live with someone else... like family. Or a friend. Or a working spouse.
Or in a boarding house of some sort.

Target one WEEKLY net paycheck to cover all MONTHLY housing expenses.
1. Didnít ask about how to budget housing, what condescension here!

2. Didnít say anything about being entitled to afford living alone. I had roommates almost until I was married.

3. Youíre not doing a spectacular job of dismantling this particular ďmyth,Ē though, just by saying it is one. How did they campaign for the minimum wage, what were the promises about it? Sources?
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Old 06-12-2018, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Formerly Pleasanton Ca, now in Marietta Ga
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As long as I can remember 40 workweek was kind of the standard when you became an adult. Minimum wage was never a part of that. Minimum wage had always applied to part time jobs held by teenagers while going to school. After school they would move on to higher paying full time jobs making room for the next group of kids.
Somewhere along the way immigrants with no skills started talking those minimum wage jobs and making them into full time.
Back in California those are the ones working fast food places. Except for a few places like in n out, most teens don't work minimum wage jobs anymore.
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Old 06-12-2018, 12:18 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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What housing shortage?
The fabricated one of 2000 square feet homes with 1960 prices.
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Old 06-12-2018, 12:31 PM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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3. You’re not doing a spectacular job of dismantling this particular “myth,” though...
I don't have to. Besides... it's been done before. Do some googling.

It's up to the folks who came up with the new interpretation ('living wage') to show that their preferred world view
is what was intended in the 1930's ...rather than what was written then or the terms in common use since then.
Getting it yet?
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Old 06-12-2018, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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Incredibly ableist.

So if all you can do - letís say youíre like me and had a brain injury in your 20s, thanks to brain tumors, only it was more severe than mine - is flip burgers or perform customer service or whatever, and you do it well and reliably, you arenít supposed to have any quality of life?

#apagewhereallyoucansayisyikes
yikes indeed. holy off the tracks, Batman.


I would suppose under such a rare circumstance that yes, the quality of life you'll have - if you're completely independent of family or social resources - would be lessened. I don't believe that I said one was not allowed "any" quality of life. And I also doubt if the job one does gets paid at minimum wage forever when it is done "well and reliably".
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Old 06-12-2018, 01:09 PM
 
Location: plano
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Houston is handling it properly. Let the free market work, no zoning to prevent or require high density housing. Shortages like this are caused by mans attempts to game a market which always has unintended consequences like shortages and not affordable prices for the typical working wage in that city.
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Old 06-12-2018, 02:38 PM
 
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The most important factor allowing lower priced housing, is three fold.

1: Availability of land/lots to build housing on. Silicon Valley where we raised our family, we paid $13,750 for a home in Cupertino in 1956. It was not the cheapest which started at about $9,999, Today they are reselling those $10,000 homes for $1,250,000 and up. People are paying that kind of price, and tearing the house down. They bought the house, to get the lot for a place to build. Due to the lack of buildable land is the problem.

2: The price of land to build, and the cost of developing lots to build on. In many areas, there is a shortage of land, so prices have gotten so high, they cannot afford to build low priced housing on it.

3: Local regulations and laws that control the housing market. Some cities have laws and regulations coupled with huge fees and costs before you do anything to develop a parcel of land.

Try to even consider building in many areas and cities in the nation housing for the masses, and you are shot down from day 1. You simply cannot buy land, develop it and pay the local government huge amounts in fees and other costs, including the cost of taking a year or more to get a permit to even start clearing the land you want to develop, and build low priced housing for the masses. The cost of the lot, plus costs for building permits, etc., are already higher than the poor and even average person in many areas can afford to pay for a completed home, condo, or rented apartment, and you have not even started to build at that point.
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