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Old 09-08-2019, 11:20 AM
 
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My wife and I are looking for a home and found one we really like. The home has been on the market for only a month but the seller recently decreased the price to $950K from $975K.

We really like the home; except, there are many areas of the floor that “creaks/squeaks”. The flooring is of the Vinyl Plank type. If the floors didn’t squeal and creak, I wouldn’t have any issues offering full list.

As a buyer, could I hire a floor person inspect the home to provide me a quote on the floor repair before I make the offer? I want to find out if the entire floor has to be replaced or if it would be a simple fix.

Besides adding a contingency for the floor which I don’t want to do what others options would you recommend?
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Old 09-08-2019, 12:16 PM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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My wife and I are looking for a home and found one we really like.
Don't let yourselves get emotional and stop using the word HOME.
You're buying a house. They're trying to sell you a home.

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...many areas of the floor that “creaks/squeaks”.
The flooring is of the Vinyl Plank type.
a) It's not gonna get better b) $1M houses should have real wood floors
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Old 09-09-2019, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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You can absolutely take a professional flooring contractor to assess the floors before making an offer.

Your agent should be able to help you find one. Your agent should also be able to tell you how dealing with any issue through the contract in your locale/state works.

And unless we're talking super expensive real estate - Bay Area, big city, etc - I agree that LVP wouldn't generally be expected flooring in a house that expensive.

PS - while a $25K price drop sounds good, remember that's only a 2.5% drop.
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Old 09-09-2019, 12:45 PM
 
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Don't let yourselves get emotional and stop using the word HOME.
You're buying a house. They're trying to sell you a home.


a) It's not gonna get better b) $1M houses should have real wood floors
Maybe in your market, but not in the Bay Area or other high priced areas.
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Old 09-09-2019, 01:20 PM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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Maybe in your market, but not in the Bay Area or other high priced areas.
I'll stick. Million dollar properties warrant better than the cheap out in ANY material choice.
Don't want to pony up for real oak... then put down carpet and let the buyer make that call two or ten years on.

And since it's being made an issue I'll even go farther:
what ELSE is this lowball flipper doing that a naive 1st time buyer has no hope of even seeing?
Then we can get to the install quality aspect. No and No.
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Old 09-09-2019, 01:27 PM
 
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I'll stick. Million dollar properties warrant better than the cheap out in ANY material choice.
Don't want to pony up for real oak... then put down carpet and let the buyer make that call two or ten years on.

And since it's being made an issue I'll even go farther:
what ELSE is this lowball flipper doing that a naive 1st time buyer has no hope of even seeing?
Then we can get to the install quality aspect. No and No.
Well good luck with that in the Bay Area. Homes there under $1MM are either carpet, as you point out, vinyl plank or laminate. Hardwood doesn’t happen at that price range because of the labor costs. How do you know it is a flipper? Squeaky floors? I have toured a number of turn of the century craftsman homes that have squeaky floors and are clearly not a flip.
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Old 09-09-2019, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX
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My wife and I are looking for a home and found one we really like. The home has been on the market for only a month but the seller recently decreased the price to $950K from $975K.

We really like the home; except, there are many areas of the floor that “creaks/squeaks”. The flooring is of the Vinyl Plank type. If the floors didn’t squeal and creak, I wouldn’t have any issues offering full list.

As a buyer, could I hire a floor person inspect the home to provide me a quote on the floor repair before I make the offer? I want to find out if the entire floor has to be replaced or if it would be a simple fix.

Besides adding a contingency for the floor which I don’t want to do what others options would you recommend?

The installation method of the vinyl plank flooring is what is important here. The flooring can be an interlocking type that just basically snaps together and lays on the floor or it can be the type that is glued to the floor/subfloor material (you can also glue down the interlocking type). The squeaky floor might be a snap and lay floor that is causing the sound or it could be a subfloor material (wood subfloor on joists) that has not been properly secured to the joists. Obviously you most likely can't tell the installation method which would require bringing in a specialist to determine the issue.



What I would recommend doing instead is to view the house one more time and take measurements of the rooms with the vinyl flooring in it. Take some pictures too so you can possibly identify the manufacturer of the flooring. If you can't get back fast enough to do this then use MLS pictures and data to obtain general measurements of rooms. Take that information to a good flooring store and ask them to provide either a ballpark figure or price per square foot to perform the following.
  • Tear out the current vinyl flooring and replace with new.
  • Repair loose (squeaky) subfloor (typically a cheap cost operation and adds little to the overall job cost). Repairing the sub-floor may well require removal of the vinyl planks which can add to overall repairs even with the snap and lay flooring (no glue down) if planks become damaged.
Now you have a worst case scenario of what it would cost if you did not try reducing your offer below the asking price. If it's something you feel you can afford to do and really love the house that can help you with your offer to make it more competitive with other possible buyers. If it's going to be a potential huge cost you can either make it part of the offer, make the offer contingent on bringing in a flooring specialist, or not even make an offer.
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Old 09-09-2019, 07:19 PM
 
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The issue you are probably dealing with is an improperly leveled underlying floor. If vinyl or laminate was installed on a correctly leveled surface, squeaking or movement should be limited or non-existent. It's probably a good indicator that this is the problem if the squeaking or movement is limited to isolated areas.

If the floor was not properly leveled, the solution is probably to remove the laminate, level the floor ('mud') and then re-install the floor. This removal (and re-use of the product) might be more difficult if an adhesive was used to install a vinyl floor. (It may not be necessary to remove/re-install the entire floor, if you are only experiencing the problem in a limited area).

I've got a section of a laminated bedroom floor where the installer did not correctly level the floor before installation. I had them back to re-level and re-install a section, but, they still didn't get it entirely right. I've now had the floor a few years and since it was not in a high traffic area, I decided to ignore the squeaking. If it really bothered me, I would have the flooring removed in the bothersome area, the underlying floor re-leveled and the flooring re-installed. - Hope this helps.
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Old 09-09-2019, 07:43 PM
 
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For that price range vinyl plank floors is unacceptable - especially if they squeak....Vinyl plank is usually used as a cheaper alternative by investors flipping starter homes.... Move on to a different property.
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Old 09-09-2019, 10:06 PM
 
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I'll stick. Million dollar properties warrant better than the cheap out in ANY material choice.
Don't want to pony up for real oak... then put down carpet and let the buyer make that call two or ten years on.

And since it's being made an issue I'll even go farther:
what ELSE is this lowball flipper doing that a naive 1st time buyer has no hope of even seeing?
Then we can get to the install quality aspect. No and No.
Cool story bro. Maybe in some backwoods in NC are all 900K + homes expected to have real wood. In some areas, you're lucky if 900K gets you an inhabitable space.
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