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Old 08-28-2010, 09:05 AM
 
Location: The Hall of Justice
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A woman can decide to keep the baby and force the father to hand his paycheck for 18 years or have his wages garnished and/or sent to jail. A woman can decide to kill/abort the baby. In both cases, men have no right to make decisions?

So I guess it is a lose/lose situation for men.
Do you really consider an abortion a "win"? I think it's a tragic event, not a victory.

A man can choose to not pay child support, certainly. He can work jobs under the table like my ex-brother-in-law, so there's nothing to contribute. My nephew is six and his father has never paid a penny. A woman who worked for me a few years ago had a son whose father would just change jobs whenever the garnishment caught up to him. He'd move and get a different job, and it would be several months before she could track him down and file the papers and get the process started, and he'd quit and move and do it again. Men can do that too.

 
Old 08-28-2010, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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The fact that an abortion has become necessary isn't a win--but I see absolutely nothing wrong with them.

I also heartily agree with the death penalty and euthanasia.
 
Old 08-28-2010, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Armsanta Sorad
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But it IS okay to force a man to be a father? Even when he explicitly and responsibly tried not to be? Yeah, yeah, different biological function and all, but what's really fair? One party has essentially ALL the choices and options, and one has essentially none. IMO, neither should be able to force the other to be a parent.
It's never okay to force or trap men into being fathers.
 
Old 08-28-2010, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Armsanta Sorad
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Better to murder the INNOCENT baby
How could it be murder if the thing is still in the womb?
 
Old 08-28-2010, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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It can't be murder if the recipient is too defenseless to protect itself.
 
Old 08-28-2010, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Armsanta Sorad
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It can't be murder if the recipient is too defenseless to protect itself.
So true.
 
Old 08-28-2010, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Outside always.
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It can't be murder if the recipient is too defenseless to protect itself.
So, by your reasoning killing an elderly person isn't murder, or a very small child, or a sick person in general?
 
Old 08-28-2010, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Canada
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How could it be murder if the thing is still in the womb?

Its an innocent life.
 
Old 08-28-2010, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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If I was incapacitated, I would WANT to die--that's how we differ. I would not want to be a burden on other people. I would not want to take resources from someone who needs them when I'm not providing ANYTHING in return for said resources.
 
Old 08-28-2010, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Outside always.
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If I was incapacitated, I would WANT to die--that's how we differ. I would not want to be a burden on other people. I would not want to take resources from someone who needs them when I'm not providing ANYTHING in return for said resources.

You could provide with your mind. Not everyone works with their hands. Many of the most successful people in the world are not good with their hands and do not do physical work. That does not mean that do not provide anything to the world. I have read enough to know that your childhood has shaped who you are, and once again I am sorry that you experienced such a childhood. Hopefully, someone will show you how to love your fellow man some day.

If my dad becomes too elderly to contribute, he will contribute to my well-being just by being here. I love him, and do not want to lose him. I would rather have him here with me than otherwise, even if he can't provide anything. Most people have someone who feels the same way about them.
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