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Old 01-07-2011, 11:09 AM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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No one needs to lie for either. It's a choice to lie for your own gain.
I am not claiming anyone has to lie for their own gain; especially if they are willing to do without.
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Old 01-07-2011, 01:13 PM
 
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caveat: I didn't read the thread.

Nice is not enough.

Some girls will say "I just want a nice guy, where are all the nice guys?" because they are frustrated

If they were honest and said "I just want a nice guy who's atleast 6 feet tall has great teeth and all his hair and a great job and an exciting social life and is totally into me and always kind to people but never lets anyone walk all over him and has a bad boy edge"

they'd get a lot less sympathy about their lonelines plus turn a lot of guys off..

Obviously (I hope) I may have exaggerated about women's expectations but my point is the same.

Don't believe any woman who says she ONLY wants "a nice guy".

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Old 01-07-2011, 01:21 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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I probably need to meet more bad girls to be myself; since I don't mind if they come up to me and simply ask if they can put their scent on me for future reference.
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Old 01-07-2011, 02:11 PM
 
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caveat: I didn't read the thread.

Nice is not enough.

Some girls will say "I just want a nice guy, where are all the nice guys?" because they are frustrated

If they were honest and said "I just want a nice guy who's atleast 6 feet tall has great teeth and all his hair and a great job and an exciting social life and is totally into me and always kind to people but never lets anyone walk all over him and has a bad boy edge"

they'd get a lot less sympathy about their lonelines plus turn a lot of guys off..

Obviously (I hope) I may have exaggerated about women's expectations but my point is the same.

Don't believe any woman who says she ONLY wants "a nice guy".
As I have said many times before on this forum, my belief from what I see out there in society is that peoples expectations are out of whack with reality. I see a lot of women out there running around with a long list of what they want in a man, much of it is out of whack with reality. And the problem is with all that is they are looking for someone else to provide them with all and sundry while not really thinking about what they offer, which often isn't much at all.

Too much wanting stuff and not giving in return is what I see. Lots of demands, not a lot on offer.

I do listen to what women want but also don't give it much credence due to them wanting so much and also changing what they think they want constantly.

The reality when it comes down to it is women are mercenary. They are in for whoever provides them with the biggest and fluffiest nest possible at the time and whoever's genes they want in their children. They are savvy and strategic and play hard ball with a soft bat.
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Old 01-07-2011, 02:18 PM
 
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As I have said many times before on this forum, my belief from what I see out there in society is that peoples expectations are out of whack with reality. I see a lot of women out there running around with a long list of what they want in a man, much of it is out of whack with reality. And the problem is with all that is they are looking for someone else to provide them with all and sundry while not really thinking about what they offer, which often isn't much at all.

Too much wanting stuff and not giving in return is what I see. Lots of demands, not a lot on offer.

I do listen to what women want but also don't give it much credence due to them wanting so much and also changing what they think they want constantly.

The reality when it comes down to it is women are mercenary. They are in for whoever provides them with the biggest and fluffiest nest possible at the time and whoever's genes they want in their children. They are savvy and strategic and play hard ball with a soft bat.
Maybe, but a lot of that savvy and strategy and lists and demands and expectations

is a front

She'll meet the right guy sparks fly and the last thing on her mind is a list

Ms. fabulous woman on the town looking for her very own hugh grant or johnny depp will probably fall in love with a charles grodin or chevy chase

both sexes put up a front... don't believe everything you read, or everything that's said, from the opposite sex.

Women are not as complex and sophisticated as they say they are. Men are not as simple and crude as we say we are.
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Old 01-07-2011, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Metro Phoenix
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Maybe, but a lot of that savvy and strategy and lists and demands and expectations

is a front

She'll meet the right guy sparks fly and the last thing on her mind is a list

Ms. fabulous woman on the town looking for her very own hugh grant or johnny depp will probably fall in love with a charles grodin or chevy chase

both sexes put up a front... don't believe everything you read, or everything that's said, from the opposite sex.

Women are not as complex and sophisticated as they say they are. Men are not as simple and crude as we say we are.
And the irony about that is, in my experience and from what I have seen time and again, crossing age groups and cultures and incomes and everything else... is that when a relationship starts hot and fast, it seems to end that way too
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Old 01-07-2011, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Metro Phoenix
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It seems like there are a greater number of women out there these days that "have a list" than there are men who do, or maybe that men sort of dump "the list" sooner. Of course, some people will be crass and say that this is just because men are more apt to jump in bed with whomever, but I don't really think this is the case. I think that what's happening increasingly is that guys just get fed up sooner (we do tend to have shorter attention spans...) and throw out a lot of their preferences in favor of a girl who may have fewer of their "ideals," but ultimately is more trustworthy, honest, and/or will be more stable in a relationship.

Most women do the same thing, it just seems like they do it later.

I'm not getting all accusatory about it, though. I've got a list and it's pretty damn rigid
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Old 01-07-2011, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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Well first of all the OP demonstrated he is not a nice guy, so I'm not even sure why he is asking.

For the rest of the "nice" guys....

Nice is not a reason for me to date you. Nice is a base requirement for anyone I hang out with, meaning they are essentially a good person.

I have no need to date all of the men who I consider "nice".

If that is the outstanding thing about you, then you are lacking. Guys and girls. That is a very vanilla attribute.

Most people have a requirement for attraction, sense of humor, education, activities, emotional compatibility....

I get the feeling these "nice" guys who complain are somewhat delusional about the selling point of that trait.

(I would have included the rant to include women more... but they don't really whine about their niceness and what it should get them)
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Old 01-07-2011, 10:02 PM
 
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Women are not as complex and sophisticated as they say they are. Men are not as simple and crude as we say we are.
I think you made my point with that better than I managed to.
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Old 01-07-2011, 10:42 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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Are women even willing to be real friends with nice guys? In my opinion, a real girl friend would not let a boy friend experience a lack of sex if she can help it, even if she needs to get her girl friends involved.
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