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Old 01-03-2011, 01:08 PM
 
Location: The Hall of Justice
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Those two imaginary situations don't really bolster the argument, Bajan. What about the women who aren't interested in the unattractive douchebag? They exist, you know.
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Old 01-03-2011, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Tucson
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1.Women do NOT want what they say that they want.
As far as most go, agreed. I'm one of the rare honest specimens.

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2.Women do NOT know what they want.
I beg to differ.
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Old 01-03-2011, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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Those two imaginary situations don't really bolster the argument, Bajan. What about the women who aren't interested in the unattractive douchebag? They exist, you know.
I don't think all women fall into that category. I think that these two women found themselves caught up with a sociopath because he presented a challenge that no other man could. When you're a really attractive woman, you get used to having your way with men. All of a sudden, this guy comes along who doesn't seem to be fazed by the beauty of any one particular woman. He doesn't seem to care if you stay or walk, live or die, call or not call. Because he already had lots of beautiful women chasing him, they relished the challenge of getting this man with something beyond their looks.

I have seen a couple of women in this thread say that they are attracted to men who demonstrate a "Take It or Leave It" attitude and don't seek the approval of women. Who embodies that attitude better than a sociopath who lacks all conscience and empathy and could really care less about what happens to his victims? It is unforunate, but so true, that women find the challenge that a sociopath creates (most times they have no idea he's actually a sociopath; he just comes off as a "challenge") to be highly attractive. In fact, I'd go so far to say that this challenge--winning a man with qualities other than looks--is intoxicating to women because deep down inside, every woman truly wants to know that a man values her for more than her looks. It mitigates the risk that he will leave her once her looks fade or when a more stunning woman blips his radar screen.

In summary, if you take a woman who rarely hears the word "no," easily wins the hearts and minds of men with a smile and the bat of an eyelash, and who has been accorded special treatment her whole life on account of her looks, her mind can be easily shattered by a man who tells her "no," resists her beauty, and treats her just like every other girl, including the extremely hideous looking ones. She may even begin to believe that she's hideous looking. It's like throwing your best punch in a fight and then having your opponent take it on the chin with a smile. Once you've thrown your best punch, what have you got left?

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Old 01-03-2011, 01:43 PM
 
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I may enter a convo with a man thinking that if he asks, I'll go out with him, and after stumbling around for 15 min and me throwing him all kinds of hints, he still can't quite get it out and it's getting really awkward, I will lose interest--for good
Why not just ask him out instead?

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If I can leave you guys with one thought, it's this: don't be afraid of women.
Donít be afraid of men, just ask them out too.
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Old 01-03-2011, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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Why not just ask him out instead?
Because a man who lacks the cojones to ask a woman out is simply not attractive. No further explanation needed. If he can't muster the courage to ask her out, or if he does it clumsily, this means that he is not attractive to other women, which in turn means that he is not attractive to her.

It just is what it is. It's like blaming men for not wanting to date obese women. It's simply not attractive. No further explanation needed.
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Old 01-03-2011, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Wu Dang Mountain
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Of course we depend on others for our existence Phil. Not just your SO, but on everyone--it has always been this way and it always will be. A tiger may be able to depend on himself--he's not a social animal and he can take care of his own needs, though he needs a female to reproduce. But humans? We're social animals and strength in numbers is the only strength we have. Individually, we're the most vulnerable species on the planet but together, we can destroy that same planet, as we all seem determined to do.
Really?

We can accomplish a lot of things as a team, true...like genocide.

But there are also things that a single individual can accomplish that no amount of teamwork can accomplish. And survival - living your life - is totally doable by oneself. It would take some hardships, because society has set it up to cull out the lone wolf - but it's doable. In fact, there are many that are doing it right now in this country - they just don't get the press that, say, crooked politicians get, nor do they want it.

And individually, I would think that the most vulnerable species on the planet is any one that Man chooses to hunt to extinction or kill off with toxic spills and habitat destruction - you know, in the name of socially-condoned progress.
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Old 01-03-2011, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Tucson
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Because a man who lacks the cojones to ask a woman out is simply not attractive. No further explanation needed. If he can't muster the courage to ask her out, or if he does it clumsily, this means that he is not attractive to other women, which in turn means that he is not attractive to her.

It just is what it is. It's like blaming men for not wanting to date obese women. It's simply not attractive. No further explanation needed.
Thank you. Our buddy Onih thinks that if he repeats something enough times heíll derail human nature somehow.
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Old 01-03-2011, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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1) Are you positive?
2) Do you embrace your life?
3) Do you get up and go to work aware of its possibilities? Or do you slog into the job and watch the clock until 5 p.m.?
4) Do you try new and interesting things? Are you open to everything the world has to offer? Or do you watch TV every night and do the same junk that you've been doing for the past ten years?
5) Do you take care of yourself, or do you look like the Pillsbury Dough Boy?
6) Do you dress yourself with at least some basic awareness of fashion sense? Or is your entire closet filled with just that looks like it was bought at the thrift store?
7) Is your home and your car decorated in early Frat Boy Revival?
8) Are you a good listener? By that I don't mean nodding your head and saying, "Yeah." I mean, really understanding the art of conversation?
9) Are you still a guy? Because items 1-8 on this list doesn't preclude enjoying a baseball game or knowing how to change your own oil.
10) Are you confident?
11) When you are on a date, are you treating the woman across the dinner as somebody with whom you can spend a fun evening, or are you just trying to game her into bed?
12) Are you viewing women with the same shallowness as you think they are viewing you?
13) Are you adopting the attitude of a victim?
14) Are you semi-interesting? Or when you talk, does the other person's eyes glaze over?

In short, women can smell the Walking Wounded, the Desperate and the Cynical from a mile away. It really boils down to being a person that the other person actually might want to hang out with. As Ovid said 2000 years ago, "To be loved, you must first be lovable."
Nonsense, I've met way too many guys who fit this description closely who are happily married with desirable women. I guess they just got lucky? Or maybe they'll be divorced as soon as the kids are older.

But to think men in successful relationships aren't guilty of most of these items is just false. Matter of fact, I'd say 3,4,5,6,8,9,12 and 14 are more common in married men.

I personally think the biggest difference between married men and single men is this: married men just want it more... by it, I mean a female in their life. I think fickleness is the single biggest reason men and women stay single.
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Old 01-03-2011, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Because a man who lacks the cojones to ask a woman out is simply not attractive. No further explanation needed. If he can't muster the courage to ask her out, or if he does it clumsily, this means that he is not attractive to other women, which in turn means that he is not attractive to her.

It just is what it is. It's like blaming men for not wanting to date obese women. It's simply not attractive. No further explanation needed.
Wait a minute...if a guy is not suave it means "other women" are not attracted to said guy in any way? Where did you come up with this brilliant theory?
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Old 01-03-2011, 02:50 PM
 
Location: SXSW
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THIS, times ten. "Women are just sooooooooo shallow! I just can't seem to find a half-dressed, screamin' wild, '10+' body, inflate-a-boob five-foot-eleven-inch 108-lb. fashion-forward uber-popular NICE girl who will see me as I really am iiiiiiiiiiinside! I think the secret is to just treat girls like dirt and I'm glad to share the secret with ALL of you." OMG, people. Honestly, do you hear yourselves sometimes?

I know dozens upon dozens of guys who are "plain-looking" as described/shown in the video who do have girlfriends; quality girlfriends. No, not girlfriends who were in not one but TWO "Girls Gone Wild" videos. Cute, pretty, smart, awesome girls.

Some guys here are making excuses for why *they* personally can't get dates. Did you ever stop to think it might really be you...your personality, your attitude, etc...and not your lack of a striped Mohawk that's the problem?
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