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Old 01-03-2011, 09:17 AM
 
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and stepka- totally in agreement with the bolded part. i REALLY hate men who are not MEN. i can change my own tires and my own oil and yeah, i LIKE IT when a guy OFFERS to help. but i have had guys who don't even know how to do these things and i think you shouldn't even be allowed to drive a car if you can't change a tire. and i will admit when i meet a guy like that i just don't consider him a man. if I HAVE TO BE THE ONE on the highway changing the damn thing then yeah, we got a problem.
the reverse of this is, is when a guy doesn't like it when a woman is too independent. i had a guy friend who had designs on me at one time, and he STILL can't stand the fact that i wanted to change my own shocks and didn't want his help. even though i explained that i wanted to do it myself just so i could say that i knew how and for the pride that that would bring, he just thought i was trying to be "stubborn modern woman" and of course that was a real turn off. its like, let me fight this battle, and high five me when i am done. don't try and make it out like just because i am not weak and mincing that i am not capable of being loved. some guys can't love a woman unless she is something of a damsel in distress. seems to me that isn't much of a man, who needs someone weaker than himself.

and i certainly don't want a guy who would just want to sit and talk about our feelings all the time. he should be open to talk about such things, but if i have to be your emotional tampon i will make you wear panties to go with it. there is definitely a happy medium, which is what i think we are both talking about. a man should be a man, and a woman a woman, with plenty of interchange and a lack of fear of being "too" anything. just be real. be real and proud. i think that is the basic message of the OP. you are in the ballpark anyway, and all the fools on here who posted "women just want money" are doomed to a hugh-hefner-wannabe existence, and there is nothing sadder than that.
Ludicrous. You begin with an attempt to verbally castrate men that don't fit your ideal of some uncouth he-man. Next, you imply the same about those that aren't attracted when you conduct yourself like one of these he-men. (Not only does this read as hypocritical, but like you've deluded yourself into thinking you’re a man.) Finally, you both contradict what you wrote in the previous paragraph and--astoundingly--not two sentences preceding in the same paragraph.

Just who, pray tell, gave you the authority to decide what makes a man?
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Old 01-03-2011, 09:24 AM
 
Location: The Jar
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True love renders a man powerless; it will castrate every male every time.
The object of that love/affection will become the #1 important thing in life.
Ladies, you wish to know if a man is really in love with you?
Tell him you want the world, and he will try his best to lasso it for you.
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Old 01-03-2011, 09:32 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Finally, you both contradict what you wrote in the previous paragraph and--astoundingly--not two sentences preceding in the same paragraph.

Just who, pray tell, gave you the authority to decide what makes a man?
Please be so kind as to point out to me where I contradicted myself 2 sentences previously.

As for the authority--the same one that gave men the authority to tell women who they're attracted to. I tell you what kind of man I'm attracted to and it makes you so angry that you tell me I don't have the authority to say what makes the kind of man I'm attracted to. That makes a lot of sense.
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Old 01-03-2011, 09:37 AM
 
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Please be so kind as to point out to me where I contradicted myself 2 sentences previously.

As for the authority--the same one that gave men the authority to tell women who they're attracted to. I tell you what kind of man I'm attracted to and it makes you so angry that you tell me I don't have the authority to say what makes the kind of man I'm attracted to. That makes a lot of sense.
Did I quote you?
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Old 01-03-2011, 09:38 AM
 
Location: The Hall of Justice
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Another wise person said, "That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Better get acquainted with your right hand because that's going to be your Saturday night date for the rest of your life."

In short, I've never seen a person who held these kinds of views about women who were even vaguely successful at interacting with women.
I googled the quote. It's from an anonymous person from the Pittsburgh Craigslist. It is repeated many times on other forums, but it seems like this is the earliest version (2007).

best of craigslist: Women aren't attracted to men.

Here's another gem from the same guy:

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It seems to me that women almost cannot think for themselves. Their estimates of worth are based on other peoples' estimates of worth. They don't really find an object beautiful on their own. The object becomes beautiful when other people let her know that it is beautiful.
The perfect summary of this "wise" man is in his final paragraph:

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Someone needs to invent a drug which has no hormonal imbalance side-effects but is able to erase a man's sex drive and attraction to women. It would increase productivity rates to incredible heights. I'd be free and happy. I'd feel complete. I'd be able to concentrate on my biochemistry studying.
I don't think this guy is someone who should be giving romantic advice.
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Old 01-03-2011, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Wu Dang Mountain
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True love renders a man powerless; it will castrate every male every time.
Seems hardly much of an incentive to fall in love...

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The object of that love/affection will become the #1 important thing in life.
So shelter, warmth, food all fall by the wayside? That kind of violates Maslow's Hierarchy, doesn't it?

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Ladies, you wish to know if a man is really in love with you?
Tell him you want the world, and he will try his best to lasso it for you.
I think somebody was watching "It's A Wonderful Life" way too much this holiday season...
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Old 01-03-2011, 09:41 AM
 
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Seriously? Have you ever perhaps asked yourself, "Gosh, what am I doing wrong?"
Hahaha I have actually lost count of the times I have asked myself something like that...

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rather than blame an entire gender?
I'm curious as to what part of my post(s) sounds like I'm blaming women...

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Let's run down the checklist. See if you can be truly objective about yourself.
Fair enough. I'll try to give it my best shot.

1) I tend to be positive. Dating is the area where I don't always manage to be, of course: years of not dating have this effect. But even then when I go out I won't complain and will commonly stay fun. Most people i know actually don't suspect my dating life is this bad.
2) Actually I find my life quite good: Good relation with family, good friends, I have interests and plans for the future. Again, dating is the only thing that seems to be failing.
3) I have a day job and I also work in starting my own business, so I'd say I have a clear direction in that sense.
4) I watch TV like 20 minutes a day. I have several interests: drawing, going out, dancing salsa, cinema... Recently I built a xylophone and I'm learning to play some music on it.
5) I will admit am not completely on shape, but I'm not that bad.I do what I can with the little free time I have daily: follow a diet, exercise ocasionally. I cut my own hair and try to dress properly.
6) Years ago I dressed very poorly. In the last 2 years, friends and acquaintances have complimented me and said my style improved a lot.
7) I think my home and car are OK, but it doesn't matter: no women actually get to see them. (Well maybe a couple did see my car)
8) I guess I'm not the best person to say if I'm a good conversationalist. I am usually better at listening than at speaking. My conversation could be better? Yes: there are guys who are more talkative or more fun. But I don't believe I'm that bad: I usually have no problem keeping conversations with friends or strangers.
9) I don't really understand what you mean with this question. I know the basic maintainance of my car, and I take care of my finances. As for watching/playing sports, I do it ocassionaly but not my greatest interest.
10) Again I'm not the right person to comment on this, but I believe my confidence is, at least, on normal healthy levels. I can speak to women, ask them out, I can have fun with other people and dance without needing alcohol.
11) I would answer you if I had any dates...
12) I don't think women are being shallow with me. They just don't like me for some reason.
13) At some points I probably have. Not in front of other people though
14) Interesting? Difficult to know myself. My friends are usually interested in what I say. Let's just assume I'm "semi-interesting", as you put it hehe

PD: Sorry to derail the thread, but cpg35223 put time into writing those questions and it's only fair that I answer them
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Old 01-03-2011, 09:42 AM
 
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I googled the quote. It's from an anonymous person from the Pittsburgh Craigslist. It is repeated many times on other forums, but it seems like this is the earliest version (2007).

best of craigslist: Women aren't attracted to men.

Here's another gem from the same guy:

The perfect summary of this "wise" man is in his final paragraph:

I don't think this guy is someone who should be giving romantic advice.
Well, that guy, along with many of the male posters on here, have apparently never actually talked to a woman for more than twenty seconds at a time. And if they did, they never really listened.

Guys. It's just not that hard. Trust me.
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Old 01-03-2011, 09:44 AM
 
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Hahaha I have actually lost count of the times I have asked myself something like that...

I'm curious as to what part of my post(s) sounds like I'm blaming women...

Fair enough. I'll try to give it my best shot.

1) I tend to be positive. Dating is the area where I don't always manage to be, of course: years of not dating have this effect. But even then when I go out I won't complain and will commonly stay fun. Most people i know actually don't suspect my dating life is this bad.
2) Actually I find my life quite good: Good relation with family, good friends, I have interests and plans for the future. Again, dating is the only thing that seems to be failing.
3) I have a day job and I also work in starting my own business, so I'd say I have a clear direction in that sense.
4) I watch TV like 20 minutes a day. I have several interests: drawing, going out, dancing salsa, cinema... Recently I built a xylophone and I'm learning to play some music on it.
5) I will admit am not completely on shape, but I'm not that bad.I do what I can with the little free time I have daily: follow a diet, exercise ocasionally. I cut my own hair and try to dress properly.
6) Years ago I dressed very poorly. In the last 2 years, friends and acquaintances have complimented me and said my style improved a lot.
7) I think my home and car are OK, but it doesn't matter: no women actually get to see them. (Well maybe a couple did see my car)
8) I guess I'm not the best person to say if I'm a good conversationalist. I am usually better at listening than at speaking. My conversation could be better? Yes: there are guys who are more talkative or more fun. But I don't believe I'm that bad: I usually have no problem keeping conversations with friends or strangers.
9) I don't really understand what you mean with this question. I know the basic maintainance of my car, and I take care of my finances. As for watching/playing sports, I do it ocassionaly but not my greatest interest.
10) Again I'm not the right person to comment on this, but I believe my confidence is, at least, on normal healthy levels. I can speak to women, ask them out, I can have fun with other people and dance without needing alcohol.
11) I would answer you if I had any dates...
12) I don't think women are being shallow with me. They just don't like me for some reason.
13) At some points I probably have. Not in front of other people though
14) Interesting? Difficult to know myself. My friends are usually interested in what I say. Let's just assume I'm "semi-interesting", as you put it hehe

PD: Sorry to derail the thread, but cpg35223 put time into writing those questions and it's only fair that I answer them
Okay. Then it's time for you to find a couple of smart female friends and say to them, "Okay, level with me...."
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Old 01-03-2011, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Tucson
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True love renders a man powerless; it will castrate every male every time.
You confirmed I've never seen true love. I'm yet to encounter such a castrate...
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