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So beta female would refer to how they are submissive to the alpha female right? Kind of like how alpha males are dominant over the beta males?
I guess sorority leaders and the leader of a female clique / gang would be alpha. Never experienced this kind of dynamic though. Women tend to be more equals with each other I think.
You're the first person I've ever met who used these terms this way. And the problem with the way you're using alpha and beta to describe physical attractiveness is that you're suggesting those are the only two choices, meaning you're either one of the other. Too bad that's not how physical attractiveness works.
I never said they were the only two choices. In fact, in my first post, I said that there is a continuum of attractiveness. Jay-Z, for example, would be a super alpha male. Why is he a super alpha male, you may ask? Because lots of hot chicks get the tingles in their nether regions when he enters a room. A 6'4, chiseled jaw surgeon who utters words into the ears of women that are smoother than silk may be considered an alpha male. A 6'4 chiseled jaw surgeon who is a bit socially awkward may be considered a lesser alpha male. So could an unemployed DJ with a quick wit and nice smile. A socially maladroit computer engineer who has a fear of approaching women and makes $250,000 with Ivy League degrees is likely a greater beta male/beta male.
Which brings me to another point. "Alpha" and "beta" are terms used to describe only a woman's physical attractivess, not a man's. Despite his facial ugliness, Jay-Z is considered hot by women all over the world because of his swagger and social dominance. A man's attractiveness is not limited to just his looks.
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Originally Posted by DennyCrane
Except that we also have free will. The people who clamor on about "human nature" act like we're all on autopilot and have no control over how we respond to things.
We don't. You don't believe me? Go eat cow dung and learn to like it. Better yet, learn to make your favorite food taste absolutely repulsive to you. You don't choose who or what you're attracted to any more than you do your favorite flavor ice cream.
A woman driven wild with desire for an Alpha Male:
I can't explain why it's him and not you But at the end of the day baby I just don't want to Cause he ain't no doctor And we always seem to fight, he ain't got the perfect body And sometimes he don't even treat me right Oh but when I'm with him, but when I'm with him When I'm with him, ain't nobody else like it I'm so sorry baby that I have to do this to you But I can't go on pretending... Cause I love him, I love him
He has a little game that he plays Clever little ways and a hot boy style
So busy trying to play with my head Telling me how he could blow my mind Something about the things that he said Made me want to take it there one time I should be walking away Cause his hands up on my thigh Should I leave, should I stay? After all it's just one night
-Mya, "Best of Me"
That is what a woman enthralled with an alpha male sounds like. But I seriously doubt too many girls are thinking that about you, Denny. You can come in and provide them with sensitivity, love, understanding, mutual interests (pilates) and support while they run back time and time again to guys like me. But once their confidence and self-esteem hit record highs (in their mid 30s), they'll come to appreciate a guy like you.
Alpha females sound like perfect candidates for having their own reality show on BRAVO.
That is a good point -- in a former lifetime I was forced to sit through various episodes of "The Real Housewives of..."
That is more or less what "alpha females" look like in action. Lots of one-upping each other, materialism, snide remarks to cut other people down... controlling others, and climbing what they percieve to be the social ladder. It is very masculine and competitive behavior, for a group of women. Their husbands are usually a throwaway bunch of mix-and-match weirdos and betas, or they are "normal" rich dudes are in the process of cheating on and/or divorcing the "alpha female" in question.
But, as BajanYankee points out, I'm sure other people define "alpha" and "beta" and all those other terms in other ways. It's not commonly applied to women , so I can see how there would be different interpretations. I think of the "alpha" and "beta" concept as a fundamentally male distinction. Applying it to women and their intrapersonal relationships is trying to put a square peg in a round hole.... calling a woman an "alpha female" is basically calling her a female who mimics the behavior of a powerful man.
A woman driven wild with desire for an Alpha Male:
I can't explain why it's him and not you But at the end of the day baby I just don't want to Cause he ain't no doctor And we always seem to fight, he ain't got the perfect body And sometimes he don't even treat me right Oh but when I'm with him, but when I'm with him When I'm with him, ain't nobody else like it I'm so sorry baby that I have to do this to you But I can't go on pretending... Cause I love him, I love him
He has a little game that he plays Clever little ways and a hot boy style
So busy trying to play with my head Telling me how he could blow my mind Something about the things that he said Made me want to take it there one time I should be walking away Cause his hands up on my thigh Should I leave, should I stay? After all it's just one night
-Mya, "Best of Me"
Sounds a bit juvenile to me, but maybe I'm just an old man...
If you could give a 33-year old woman the same dating options she had at 23, do you think her behavior and attitude would change?
You're assuming the 33 year-old is looking for the types of experiences to be had by the 23 year-old. Whether or not that speaks to her maturity level is an entirely different discussion.
(Sounds a bit juvenile to me too SifuPhil, and I'm a long way from being an old man!)
Many women I've known were NOT happy with their dating lives in their 20's but were quite satisfied with them in their 30's and 40's.
That's not surprising. Sometimes having too many options can be a problem. It can lead to flakiness, dippiness, and a general unappreciative attitude towards the opposite sex.
It's kinda like how we all scratch our heads when an athlete signs a $55 million contract and winds up broke within 5 years. Like the guy from Jerry Maguire said: "[sobbing and sniffling] People just don't understand the problems that come along with $55 million dollars! [sniff, sniff]."
Women with options, much like professional athletes, often live like they'll never grow old. Sometimes taking away the looks (or the money and fame) makes it easier to live a normal life.
"Alpha" can mean potato, fart, or Volkswagen if that's what people intend for it to mean and the person the word is being communicated to understands it as such. Just because you don't like the affixation of the label "alpha" to attractive people does not mean that the word can't be used that way.
Sorry, but that's wrong. The alpha and beta distinctions (among others) are well established in science. There isn't much room for interpretation.
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