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Old 07-10-2011, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Up above the world so high!
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Sorry - maybe I just go to too many events that use it!
Well, I've never been on a meditation retreat or taken a philosophy class - I just call'em like I see'em with my own fine mind
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Old 07-10-2011, 07:04 PM
 
Location: tampa bay
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I never heard the quote about trusting "someone for who they are and not what they can do for you". I don't think I ever would trust another because of what they could do for me!!Don't get it ...like if a tree falls in the woods...crap!
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Old 07-10-2011, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Wu Dang Mountain
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Unfortunately some people in my life have lived "down" to my expectations and therefore I've been neither surprised or disappointed.However one time I was blindsided,maybe it was my fault for not seeing signs and trusting but that's who I was at that time.Now I view the world with a more jaundiced eye...which I guess happens to many people with age!!Still there are many things I miss about the old me!
There are no seven wonders of the world in the eyes of a child. There are seven million.
~Walt Streightiff

I've spent a large part of my adult years trying to reclaim those child eyes. To see everything in a more innocent, trusting and happy light would be a rare gift.

I've also spent a large part of my adult years trying to return to the womb in various ways, but that's a different story for a different time...

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Old 07-10-2011, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Tucson
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I've also spent a large part of my adult years trying to return to the womb in various ways, but that's a different story for a different time...
Unfortunately, nobody can return to this warm, cozy, and safe place... Have a pot muffin instead!
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Old 07-10-2011, 07:17 PM
 
Location: tampa bay
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Unfortunately, nobody can return to this warm, cozy, and safe place... Have a pot muffin instead!
Tried to rep you!! I'll have to ask my 17 year old to whip me up a batch!
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Old 07-10-2011, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Back in the gym...Yo Adrian!
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Your answers may affect my personal life philosophy, so tread carefully please ...

When you trust someone, be it your relationship partner, friend, family member etc. and they break that trust, it's a nasty thing. On the other hand, when you have expectations of someone's behavior and they don't act as expected, it's also a nasty thing.

When you trust someone, you have expectations.

When you have expectations of someone, you trust they will act appropriately.

Are they the same? If so, how? If not, why?
I try my best not to have expectations. However, as you build trust with someone, it's only normal to establish some expectations, typically ones that have been forged during the getting-to-know-you phase. It's been said that "we teach people how to treat us", but the other side of that coin is that the person who has accepted your trust and commitment, now has a responsibility not to be reckless with your emotions. It's reasonable to expect that they should behave within whatever boundaries, spoken or unspoken, that have been established between you.
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Old 07-10-2011, 07:20 PM
 
Location: tampa bay
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There are no seven wonders of the world in the eyes of a child. There are seven million.
~Walt Streightiff

I've spent a large part of my adult years trying to reclaim those child eyes. To see everything in a more innocent, trusting and happy light would be a rare gift.

I've also spent a large part of my adult years trying to return to the womb in various ways, but that's a different story for a different time...
I don't know why I can't rep you guys! But anyway...so true and so funny!
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Old 07-10-2011, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Wu Dang Mountain
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Unfortunately, nobody can return to this warm, cozy, and safe place... Have a pot muffin instead!
It's the pot muffins that MAKE me try to return in the FIRST place!
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Old 07-10-2011, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Tucson
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It's the pot muffins that MAKE me try to return in the FIRST place!
Go back to your monk cell then!
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Old 07-10-2011, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Default Yes... I do agree..

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I try my best not to have expectations. However, as you build trust with someone, it's only normal to establish some expectations, typically ones that have been forged during the getting-to-know-you phase. It's been said that "we teach people how to treat us", but the other side of that coin is that the person who has accepted your trust and commitment, now has a responsibility not to be reckless with your emotions. It's reasonable to expect that they should behave within whatever boundaries, spoken or unspoken, that have been established between you.
I only wish more people felt this way too!! ... I have trusted deeply through the so called "get to know you" phase and totally blind sided when I found out betrayal... Does this change me into a dis-trusting individual... I think not.. I've lost the battle but remember the lesson. I experienced a person who has no conscious... so he felt no consquences for deceit. Geez.. what's life without great adventures right??
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