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Most people I know are very educated and successful (probably like top 1-10% of population) so I'm not getting a good cross section.
But it always seems that the successful men end up dating FAR better looking women who aren't as successful.
And the successful women date a variety of men without a definite pattern:
- worse looking, worse career
- worse looking, better career
- better looking, worse career
- better looking, better career
I think this means women go more for overall compatibility and personality factors (outside of looks and career) while men tend to be slightly more superficial.
Most people I know are very educated and successful (probably like top 1-10% of population) so I'm not getting a good cross section.
But it always seems that the successful men end up dating FAR better looking women who aren't as successful.
And the successful women date a variety of men without a definite pattern:
- worse looking, worse career
- worse looking, better career
- better looking, worse career
- better looking, better career
I think this means women go more for overall compatibility and personality factors (outside of looks and career) while men tend to be slightly more superficial.
Women in general do not date or marry down. They are more superficial. Men may be superficial with looks, but women are more superficial in everything else. Income, social status/proof, who his friends are, etc.
Women in general do not date or marry down. They are more superficial. Men may be superficial with looks, but women are more superficial in everything else. Income, social status/proof, who his friends are, etc.
That might be true, but being that all the women I know are highly successful (like 6 figure incomes or multi-6 figure incomes) and fairly attractive, they would not find anyone if they didn't marry down. They are smart enough to realize it and that's just their reality. Nobody can keep marrying up. Especially if the equally successful guys are already marrying down in success but up in looks - leaving the women with even fewer options.
That might be true, but being that all the women I know are highly successful they would not find anyone if they didn't marry down. They are smart enough to realize it and that's just their reality.
You do realize if they're as successful as you say they are, they're a huge minority?
You do realize if they're as successful as you say they are, they're a huge minority?
I'm just giving my obs on the cross section of society made up of successful people to show what happens when you take money/suceess out of the equation. Men marry slightly up more for looks, while women have no definite rules.
For everyone else without guaranteed success, I do see a lot of men AND women who have unrealistic expectations. I've seen fat women being picky about height, looks, and education. I've seen fat men rejecting the chubby, flat, uneducated, or crazy woman. I think it would be erroneous to conclude that either sex is worse than the other when it comes to unrealistic expectations.
Men marry slightly up more for looks, while women have no definite rules.
More rubbish. Most couples are pretty even in terms of looks. Women most certainly have rules. I've known maybe a handful of couples in my 23 years where the woman made significantly more money or had higher social status. Women do have rules. They don't marry down, even the successful ones.
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For everyone else without guaranteed success, I do see a lot of men AND women who have unrealistic expectations. I've seen fat women being picky about height, looks, and education. I've seen fat men rejecting the chubby, flat, uneducated, or crazy woman. I think it would be erroneous to conclude that either sex is worse than the other when it comes to unrealistic expectations.
Yes, members of both can have unrealistic expectations. But I still stand by women being more unrealistic. When females are being fed fairy tales from a young age, it's no wonder they're more unrealistic than men. Movies and other stories such as Beauty and the Beast, Romeo and Juliet, Step Up, A Walk To Remember, etc; are catered to females, not males.
Yes, members of both can have unrealistic expectations. But I still stand by women being more unrealistic. When females are being fed fairy tales from a young age, it's no wonder they're more unrealistic than men. Movies and other stories such as Beauty and the Beast, Romeo and Juliet, Step Up, A Walk To Remember, etc; are catered to females, not males.
That fairy tale thing affecting women's expectations is bogus. Why do you think more women seek higher education than men nowadays? It's not so they can wait for their white knight in shining armor.
That fairy tale thing affecting women's expectations is bogus. Why do you think more women seek higher education than men nowadays? It's not so they can wait for their white knight in shining armor.
Fairy tales and higher education are not related. Men still earn more and occupy the more dangerous and physical jobs.
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