Physical abuse, one strike and you're out? (child, straight, problems)

[virgode]

Originally Posted by QuickStudy178

There is nothing "circular" about it.

And thus far, neither you nor anybody else reading this thread has proved me wrong.

Nor have you provided any evidence to support your argument.

I rest my case.

[captaincatfish]

Originally Posted by SwedishViking

"3rd strike ur dead" -Mr daddycool I see...
"if it's mine ur dead on first" Oh someone is even tougher, my my!
Edit: I'd sure love to see any of the fathers of the girls I've been with try to get physical against me if i would have been physical against the daughter...
Just realise most fathers of attractive women are past 40, and in no condition to take on anyone near anyone with with even remotely similar physique to mine.

So you could say U'd shoot the guy? what if he shoots you first?

yeah right, how mature...

I'd expect my own daughter to be well-raised enough to know how to get rid of the guy herself after the first time.

Anyway how is it women will stay with a guy who's beating her half way to death with the argument "he's not like that all the time"
while dismissing decent guys with the argument "he might have been creepy"?

I am going to be blunt and straight to the point...if I were a father (for dramatic purposes here, assume that I am) and you or any other man put your hands on my daughter, for any other reason than to, say, show her love,
then trust me, I don't give a crap how many wolf-tickets you can sell on a chat forum, how many muscles you have, how many guns you own or how many hollow-point bullets you have for them---my aged a** would hunt you down, and exact revenge...

Somehow, some way, even unto it taking the rest of my life on earth, I would find you...you ain't invsible, invincible, or that tough that you wouldn't go down---there is no force on earth as powerful and as overwhelming as a parent determined to get justice for a wronged child...

And as to your physique? Trust me son, there are various ways, both fair and foul, to deal with someone who thinks brute strength will always rule the day...and physical confrontation is the least of a parent's weapons...depending on the parent's profession, there are various and sundry ways for them to make your life a living hell...and all your muscles would be about as useful as screen doors on a submarine

There's an old saying I'm very fond of---'Old age and treachery [dirty fighting] will overcome youth and skill [and most muscles] every time'

[QuickStudy178]

Originally Posted by virgode

Nor have you provided any evidence to support your argument.

I rest my case.

I am not the one publishing domestic violence pamphlets and distributing them to grocery stores, pharmacies, and doctor's offices, etc. Those who are doing so, are responsible for supporting the "facts" presented, and so far neither they, nor you, have done so.

I have my own personal experience to draw on. I have only posted that which I know to be true and accurate. The sites I have linked to, in my opinion, are posting stats that are not representative of reality, and again, nobody, including you, has come forward to refute that notion.

If you want to rest your case, I don't blame you one bit for wanting to do so, as it is not possible for you to win this argument, and I think you know it.

[Djuna]

Another denier of domestic violence statistics and proponent of 'the woman is the instigator' mentality I see

This just gets old real quick.

[QuickStudy178]

Originally Posted by Djuna

Another denier of domestic violence statistics and proponent of 'the woman is the instigator' mentality I see

This just gets old real quick.

gets old real quick, eh?

I never said 'the woman is the instigator'. However, I do think many opportunistic women, especially those who happen to be engaged in custody battles, are taking advantage of the "victim" system that was set-up to address genuine cases of domestic violence.

If you disagree with my position, then why don't you step up to the plate and provide me a scientific study of domestic violence, instead of shrugging your shoulders and walking off.

[Northside904]

My question is, what would happen if your loving partner hit you for the first time, and in all other ways seemed to love you.etc. Maybe alcohol was involved, or she was really provoked, would you find it totally unforgivable? Keep in mind your safety might be a factor as well. But say you were really involved with this person, and trusted her not to truly harm you. Or would this break that trust forever? Would it depend on the severity of the attack or is that irrelevant?

I'd forgive her, but I would never be able to look at her the same way again. I would be gone on the spot and not look back. I don't care if she truly regrets it, the damage would already be done. That's the mindset that most people need to have. If your spouse hits you, you're gone. They can apologize all they want but it won't undo the damage.

[Djuna]

Bureau of Justice Statistics Intimate Partners Violence in the U.S.: Household Characteristics from the Bureau of Justice Statistics

Bureau of Justice Statistics Intimate Partner Violence in the U.S.: Victim Characteristics

Bureau of Justice Statistics Intimate Partners Violence in the U.S.: Offender Characteristics

Bureau of Justice Statistics Intimate Partner Violence in the U.S.: Circumstances

These are all Justice Department statistics based on the entire US. Individual States statistics may differ, for example;

http://www.ncadv.org/files/Alaska.pdf

[SwedishViking]

Originally Posted by Capt. Dan

Nothing "cool" about protecting ones daughter. Youre "DaddyNaive" apparently. There are ALOT of guys like you who are 100% sure that thier perfectly raised daughters would never get themselves into a situation like this or would know how to handle it if they do. Many a subsequent morgue visit by "DaddyNaive" proves them to be very wrong!

Naive? I'm perfectly aware thousands of people wind up on the morge for violent reasons every day, there is usually a semi-logical explanation.
And perfectly aware that my potential future daughter might be special to me but will probably not be a special snowflake in terms of her behavior as a function of emotions and past experiences; and may does get in vurious types of troubles from time to time.
My point is that there is always a way out, and I'd be a failure as a father if she lacked the mental strengh and capability to break free of a bad relationship.
What if I died before this happened for example?
I couldn't raise my daughter to depend on me, my job as a father would be to make sure she has the necessary tools in term of cunning, knowledge and insight to handle herself, at least if we're talking about a grown daughter.

What my sarcastic comment were about is that your first way of going about this, while you are not even in a psychologically enraged state is to beat someone into submission or to death, which might very well be called for, but holds as many dissadvantages.
While I fully support that someone beating his girl up deserves 50 times the beating back, I think getting dropped by my daughter is hopefully a bigger blow than I could ever physically deal any man.

Besides, if I beat the guy half dead, it does nothing but open up for revenge for him to deal out on the girl, And daughter or not I can't be with her forever. if I beat him dead, well that opens for revenge from his peers, etc. what should I do? kill the whole world?

I have nothing against protecting my potential daughter, I have A LOT against causing her more problems than she started out with.

[QuickStudy178]

Originally Posted by Djuna

Bureau of Justice Statistics Intimate Partners Violence in the U.S.: Household Characteristics from the Bureau of Justice Statistics

Bureau of Justice Statistics Intimate Partner Violence in the U.S.: Victim Characteristics

Bureau of Justice Statistics Intimate Partners Violence in the U.S.: Offender Characteristics

Bureau of Justice Statistics Intimate Partner Violence in the U.S.: Circumstances

These are all Justice Department statistics based on the entire US. Individual States statistics may differ, for example;

http://www.ncadv.org/files/Alaska.pdf

Thanks for responding. I am familiar with these "studies" and yes, there are statistics provided. However, not one of these studies conforms to scientific standards, nor has any one of these studies or compilations withstood rigorous scrutiny.

Instead, like every other study I've seen, the numbers stand on a foundation of sand. In other words, if you subject any one of these studies to the questions and conditions I outlined in post #110, they fall apart.

If you don't believe me, then go get the white paper for the study, and read it yourself. These studies are not scientific and the published stats are essentially meaningless. I am not saying this to be a jerk; I am just saying this because it's true.

[Djuna]

Originally Posted by QuickStudy178

Thanks for responding. I am familiar with these "studies" and yes, there are statistics provided. However, not one of these studies conforms to scientific standards, nor has any one of these studies or compilations withstood rigorous scrutiny.

Instead, like every other study I've seen, the numbers stand on a foundation of sand. In other words, if you subject any one of these studies to the questions and conditions I outlined in post #110, they fall apart.

If you don't believe me, then go get the white paper for the study, and read it yourself. These studies are not scientific and the published stats are essentially meaningless. I am not saying this to be a jerk; I am just saying this because it's true.

They are not studies, they are statistics.

I don't care if you believe them or not. You can deny domestic violence til the cows come home...go work at a Women's Shelter, then come back and spout your nonsense.