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Sorry, but I cannot help but disagree strongly with the above assessment. The need to protect children from strong, graphic, and obscene s*xual material that will only be harmful to them far outweighs any "right" that adults may have to see such material. Although I am certainly not the strongest fan of China, I have to give them credit where credit is due -- the Chinese have the right idea when it comes to censoring pornography, and we Americans the wrong one. It is simply selfish to the extreme for adults to claim that their supposed "right" to view X-rated material outweighs the emotional health of their children. Outrageously selfish and self-centered to the core.
Plus, under the "old rules", this material should already be blocked to minors, just as it was when minors were not allowed to purchase pornographic material at the bookstore. Except now, kids can potentially have an "all you can eat" obscenity fest online, if they can successfully circumvent parental filtering programs. What has happened to our society, to knowingly allow our children to be exposed to such filth and debauchery?? Shame on those, who willingly allow such barbarism...
You can disagree all you want. That doesn't mean you get to play morality cop with the rest of us. The law is on my side. If something portrays two consenting adults and is not kiddie porn, that's all that matters. Personally, I find a lot of what is out there to be disgusting. But I don't get to decide for the rest of the world.
If I recall correctly, you don't have kids. When you do, it will be up to you to police them. The whole world does not have to stop spinning because some people decide to breed and then can't be arsed to actually parent. Dang straight, my right as an adult to look at OMG, NAKED PEOPLE HAVING SEX comes before someone else's "right" to be a lazy parent. You raise your kids. That's not my job, or the government's.
I agree with the poster and everyone on here, right/left/left/right, to some degree.
I have been fascinated by the Madonna/Who** since I started reading about it on a website.... It has a lot of merit. Research it if you do not know what it means.
Porn thought is a fascinating topic.... While I agree that adults should be able to watch what they want to watch, just a google search of the most extreme act you can think of and pages upon pages appear with free videos that anyone can watch... regardless of age.
I think the porn industry ($1+ billion industry) needs to step up to the plate and age verify. Before the internet, you had to walk into a store or theater or obtain porn or purchase it directly on your cable (paper trail). If you are not willing to throw your license out there to verify, you have no business watching it. In my eyes. It takes a little to give a little when it comes to this.
For example, my nephew age 16... had a small netbook (you can get those for $150 or lower) that my sister had no clue about. He, and his friends, were living a 'double life' through it posting cage fight videos, viewing porn.. etc etc etc.. When she discovered it... oh she totally broke into it... You can educate only so much at home these days. The mass media world we live in takes over.
So, that is where I agree with Yzette and the OP... Parents need to wake up. Restricting our children only increases curiosity or naivete. I would HATE to be naive in this world though and going off to a big University.... I remember when I went to UT as a sophomore... that was 19 years ago. Could not even imagine it today. I help raise a 16 years old girl (I have known her since she was 5)... and she knows, she can come to me and ask me anything and everything. No conversation is off limits.
I do have some reservations about maintaining 'virginity' in the world we are in. Could you imagine being a young lady never knowing... And not knowing what feels good or bad... normal or pushing the limits? Oh sends chills down my spine, a bit.
People need experience. The world we live in explains the divorce rate... which I do not think is a completely negative result of the times we are in. I think that divorce is going to be seen to change the way people think about relationship responsibilities... In time.
If you have not researched Madonna/Who**.... you should. Just sayin'.
You can disagree all you want. That doesn't mean you get to play morality cop with the rest of us. The law is on my side. If something portrays two consenting adults and is not kiddie porn, that's all that matters. Personally, I find a lot of what is out there to be disgusting. But I don't get to decide for the rest of the world.
If I recall correctly, you don't have kids. When you do, it will be up to you to police them. The whole world does not have to stop spinning because some people decide to breed and then can't be arsed to actually parent. Dang straight, my right as an adult to look at OMG, NAKED PEOPLE HAVING SEX comes before someone else's "right" to be a lazy parent. You raise your kids. That's not my job, or the government's.
As I mentioned, I am not the only one who disagrees...the Chinese government also *strongly* disagrees, and widely censors adult smut in their own country. Amazing isn't it, that the Chinese actually have the moral courage to do that, while we Americans raise up obscenity and utter vile garbage as a supposed "right", or free speech...
FWIW, it has nothing to do with being a "lazy parent", as you say. It's totally amazing how quickly society goes down the tubes -- a few decades ago b/4 ppl were "conditioned" into blindly accepting obscene content as legitimate, mainstream online adult pornography as we know it today would have caused widespread outrage, and ppl would have actually had the cojones to stand up for their children's interest. (And no, I'm not talking about Dad's supposed stash of Playboys here; I'm talking about XXX-rated, extreme filth that your kids can potentially browse to online, including visible bestiality, orgies, and group s*x, which makes the Playboys almost tame by comparison.) No more though I see...I will say it again, those who place the importance of adult content above that of our children, our future, only show just how little they care about the mental health of their children.
ETA: what about movie ratings? Gov't regulates that too doesn't it? Rated R means under 17-18, you can't get in; plain and simple. Same deal for NC-17. That is also the law, and why we don't have greater safeguards for the Internet beyond parental filters that can be easily bypassed astonishes me.
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As I mentioned, I am not the only one who disagrees...the Chinese government also disagrees, and widely censors adult smut in their own country. Amazing isn't it, that the Chinese actually have the moral courage to do that, while we Americans raise up obscenity and utter vile garbage as a supposed "right", or free speech...
FWIW, it has nothing to do with being a "lazy parent", as you say. It's totally amazing how quickly society goes down the tubes -- a few decades ago b/4 ppl were "conditioned" into blindly accepting obscene content as legitimate, mainstream online adult pornography as we know it today would have caused widespread outrage, and ppl would have actually had the cojones to stand up for their children's interest. (And no, I'm not talking about Dad's supposed stash of Playboys here; I'm talking about XXX-rated, extreme filth that your kids can potentially browse to online, including visible bestiality, orgies, and group s*x, which makes the Playboys almost tame by comparison.) No more though I see...I will say it again, those who place the importance of adult content above that of our children, our future, only show just how little they care about the mental health of their children.
UMMMMM... Are you speaking of the PRC? The People's Republic of China? Ruled by the Communist Party of China? The official state religion is Atheism? The same PRC that limits internet access? Runs student protesters over with a tank? Limits human rights, religion, speech, and labor rights just to name a few?
Sure they limit the evils of pornography to their own population. But they still allowed the production and distribution, without censorship, to the West.
This extreme porn is driven by societal demand... mostly men. Maybe we should be asking ourselves why that is. Care to answer?
Before the internet, you had to walk into a store or theater or obtain porn or purchase it directly on your cable (paper trail). If you are not willing to throw your license out there to verify, you have no business watching it. In my eyes. It takes a little to give a little when it comes to this.
Or have your older brother or cousin buy it for you.
When I was in fifth grade, wayyyy back in 1977, some boys came in with a bunch of porno mags, some quite explicit. They taped them to the inside of their notebooks, and they went up to the girls and flashed the pictures at them.
UMMMMM... Are you speaking of the PRC? The People's Republic of China? Ruled by the Communist Party of China? The official state religion is Atheism? The same PRC that limits internet access? Runs student protesters over with a tank? Limits human rights, religion, speech, and labor rights just to name a few?
Sure they limit the evils of pornography to their own population. But they still allowed the production and distribution, without censorship, to the West.
This extreme porn is driven by societal demand... mostly men. Maybe we should be asking ourselves why that is. Care to answer?
I never said I endorsed China's human rights record. All I said was that at least they had the moral courage (in this case) to stand up for the emotional and mental health needs of their own citizens, by censoring their access to porn.
FWIW, as a man and as a fellow human being, I find pornography to be a despicable, horrible, and abominable moral blight on humanity's soul. It is wholly anti-love in the extreme...and anathema to the entire concept of love.
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UMMMMM... Are you speaking of the PRC? The People's Republic of China? Ruled by the Communist Party of China? The official state religion is Atheism? The same PRC that limits internet access? Runs student protesters over with a tank? Limits human rights, religion, speech, and labor rights just to name a few?
Sure they limit the evils of pornography to their own population. But they still allowed the production and distribution, without censorship, to the West.
This extreme porn is driven by societal demand... mostly men. Maybe we should be asking ourselves why that is. Care to answer?
Actually, they don't. They've taken a lot of those sites off their banned list, if some other folks would care to actually do some research and read news more recent than 2009 before singing the praises of China's censorship.
And not for nothing, but Chinese porn is some of the nastiest stuff out there, along with Japanese. The more uptight a society is about sex, the more disgusting its porn.
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ETA: what about movie ratings? Gov't regulates that too doesn't it? Rated R means under 17-18, you can't get in; plain and simple. Same deal for NC-17. That is also the law, and why we don't have greater safeguards for the Internet beyond parental filters that can be easily bypassed astonishes me.
Sorry, but you're wrong. R means "under 17 not admitted without parent or guardian."
Not that it matters. Movie ratings are not laws. If they were, there wouldn't be so many parents taking their 10-year-olds to R-rated movies because they are too cheap to get a babysitter.
Furthermore, the MPAA, which decides on the rating, is not a government agency and has no authority or power to enforce anything. Movies are submitted for rating on a voluntary basis. If a production company does not submit the movie for a rating, the movie doesn't get rated.
The ratings are guides for parents. That's all.
Come on, Knight. At least [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Association_of_America"]look up the Wiki[/URL], first!
Actually, they don't. They've taken a lot of those sites off their banned list, if some other folks would care to actually do some research and read news more recent than 2009 before singing the praises of China's censorship.
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Sorry, but you're wrong. R means "under 17 not admitted without parent or guardian."
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Furthermore, the MPAA, which decides on the rating, is not a government agency and has no authority or power to enforce anything. Movies are submitted for rating on a voluntary basis. If a production company does not submit the movie for a rating, the movie doesn't get rated.
You have some valid points...touche and fair enough; I readily concede on the above. My apologies. You will understand though; my intentions were meant well, and in a good / positive way. I truly care about the next generation, and just don't want to see them get hurt, if I can help it
You have some valid points...touche and fair enough; I readily concede on the above. My apologies. You will understand though; my intentions were meant well, and in a good / positive way. I truly care about the next generation, and just don't want to see them get hurt, if I can help it
No need to apologize.
Thing is, porn isn't going to go away. Best thing parents can do is give their kids a solid foundation for what to do when they come across it, how to handle it, and how to relate to each other as people.
That goes for all of sexuality, actually. If a kid asks a question like "how are babies made?" an honest answer is going to go a lot further than euphemisms, chastisement for natural curiosity, or refusing to discuss the matter. It's also going to take the mystery out if it, so that the kid doesn't grow up to seek cheap thrills because of the taboo.
That's what I don't understand about the parental abdication of responsibility with respect to sex ed and their kids. Why wouldn't any parent want to talk to their kids about sex? Do they think learning about it in a schoolyard is a better alternative?
And how could any mother--any woman--allow her kids, especially her sons, to grow up viewing women as saints or sinners? Likewise, how could any man who loves his wife and daughters foster such a belief?
In my family, we used to tease my father that fate sent him four daughters to purge him of his sexism.
Thing is, porn isn't going to go away. Best thing parents can do is give their kids a solid foundation for what to do when they come across it, how to handle it, and how to relate to each other as people.
That goes for all of sexuality, actually. If a kid asks a question like "how are babies made?" an honest answer is going to go a lot further than euphemisms, chastisement for natural curiosity, or refusing to discuss the matter. It's also going to take the mystery out if it, so that the kid doesn't grow up to seek cheap thrills because of the taboo.
That's what I don't understand about the parental abdication of responsibility with respect to sex ed and their kids. Why wouldn't any parent want to talk to their kids about sex? Do they think learning about it in a schoolyard is a better alternative?
And how could any mother--any woman--allow her kids, especially her sons, to grow up viewing women as saints or sinners? Likewise, how could any man who loves his wife and daughters foster such a belief?
In my family, we used to tease my father that fate sent him four daughters to purge him of his sexism.
Many excellent points...thx for sharing; I can't argue with much of the above logic...
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