The Madonna/*****? The saint/sinner? Nature vs. Nurture?

[believe007]

Originally Posted by Knight2009

I never said I endorsed China's human rights record. All I said was that at least they had the moral courage (in this case) to stand up for the emotional and mental health needs of their own citizens, by censoring their access to porn.

FWIW, as a man and as a fellow human being, I find pornography to be a despicable, horrible, and abominable moral blight on humanity's soul. It is wholly anti-love in the extreme...and anathema to the entire concept of love.

I find it refreshing that a man has this stance on porn I totally get where you're coming from, Knight, but honestly it seems like a losing battle. All we can do is limit that kind of stuff in our own personal lives; what disturbs me equally so is strip clubs. It's my own issue- that they're now everywhere, along with the restaurants that advertise the half dressed girls waitressing. So... sex sells; sleaziness sells & that's the bottom line, and there's not much we can do about it.

[Trimac20]

Even 10 years ago porn only 'dirty men' watched porn, or maybe couples who wanted some 'inspiration.' Now everyone and their dog is watching the stuff.

[MeAndMillie2]

Originally Posted by Yzette

Or have your older brother or cousin buy it for you.

When I was in fifth grade, wayyyy back in 1977, some boys came in with a bunch of porno mags, some quite explicit. They taped them to the inside of their notebooks, and they went up to the girls and flashed the pictures at them.

Ten- and eleven-year-olds.

In 1977.

In a Catholic school, no less.

Nothing is new in 2011.

I agree with so much of what you have said over the past several days in some of the other posts that were referenced in this post.

However, we are going to have to disagree on this one.

I remember when I was growing up on a Navy Base... where the fathers would be overseas for months at a time in the Pacific and Indian Oceans.... When they returned, of course they brought back porn with them. The boys would get it out dad's box in the closet and do the same things... try to shock the girls. Same stuff and very explicit yet very different.


Then, when a man wanted to watch a woman with a horse... he had to seek it out. Physically seek it out. Hunt down some bootlegged porn (video or pics), head to Tijuana or maybe some backwoods barn in Kentucky.... Now? A few simple clicks with the mouse and it is totally uncensored. One can argue that porn like this can have the same mental charge for a men as rape. It is not about sexual gratification but power. The act itself is not arousing, it is seeing a woman degraded. Kids are smarter about the internet then most adults.. They know their way around the parental restrictions or use their smart phones.

I think most XXX porn is healthy for a man, woman or a couple, however we have gone beyond. We have gone beyond mainstream and the envelope is being pushed farther and farther. And it is all available. Every bit of it. It is like a bouncing ball to follow click by click on the internet.

I will also say, the concept mentioned in the post, The Madonna/Whor*, is the driving force. It is a market pushed by sexually repressed men who have psychological misogynistic issues. I do not think it is most men... but is a powerful minority who drive the demand for this.

I have watched some of the stuff that is out there today in my field of work....

I think the industry, as a whole, should follow the Hollywood model; have self imposed restrictions. If you are of age, and are willing to pay for it... Here it is. In time, it will limit the production due to the interest value will decline. I think most interest is out of curiosity and a "laugh" for the sake of a "laugh". However, I still think that is a dangerous line to walk.

Then take it to the next level... Most of these women... Asian and West European porn are some of the most extreme... Many of these women are victims themselves since many are products of human trafficking, which just ads a whole other layer to this problem.

However, if a male could answer why this industry delivers a product due to the male demand... I would love to hear your theories!

[MeAndMillie2]

Originally Posted by Yzette

Actually, they don't. They've taken a lot of those sites off their banned list, if some other folks would care to actually do some research and read news more recent than 2009 before singing the praises of China's censorship.

And not for nothing, but Chinese porn is some of the nastiest stuff out there, along with Japanese. The more uptight a society is about sex, the more disgusting its porn.



Sorry, but you're wrong. R means "under 17 not admitted without parent or guardian."

Not that it matters. Movie ratings are not laws. If they were, there wouldn't be so many parents taking their 10-year-olds to R-rated movies because they are too cheap to get a babysitter.

Furthermore, the MPAA, which decides on the rating, is not a government agency and has no authority or power to enforce anything. Movies are submitted for rating on a voluntary basis. If a production company does not submit the movie for a rating, the movie doesn't get rated.

The ratings are guides for parents. That's all.

Come on, Knight. At least look up the Wiki, first!

Although, they still censored within their allowances... Google, youtube and such have go through government clearances... basically they get a google.CN or yourtube.CN... not the open .com forums.