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Well I suppose not all feminists are opposed to it then, lol...what about the kind that portrays unrealistic, plastic women inserting pink dildos into their vaginas to titilate men?
Isn't most porn like that, more or less? lol
I'm a feminist and I don't like porn, but my objections aren't related to my being feminist: rather, they're stylistic objections. I simply find it (or most of it) too ugly, vulgar and fake.
When watching movies, arousal is, in my opinion, pretty much like fear: suspense works so much better than action in building up a nice climax. When you're imagining a monster, or a villain, you're much more afraid than when you actually see it/him. I can be turned on by watching a movie, porn or not, but when it's all as predictable as some girl with her legs wide open, moaning far too much to be believable, constant close-ups of vaginas and penises, etc (what's the point, is this a medical video?), really, I could think of a thousand better ways to spend 10 minutes of my time.
As a matter of fact, I remember in particular one porn video I once saw that I thought was nice. It was a lesbian scene of two women that spent a lot of time kissing and caressing each other, making eye contact and being affectionate and erotic, before actually having (oral) sex (foreplay is sex too, but you know what I mean). And there were no ridiculously massive dildos, no laughable earth-shaking moans and, of course, close-ups were kept to a bare minimum and weren't, well, so close.
It looked real, it wasn't mechanical and it wasn't devoid of human-like interaction. And yet, I bet that most people who usually watch commercial porn would have thought it was boring... It's obviously a matter of personal taste.
However, I insist that I don't mind if my SO watches your typical porn video and I can watch it too. It's not like I'm going to throw up at the sight of it or anything. But neither of us is especially interested anyway.
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Isn't most porn like that, more or less? lol
I'm a feminist and I don't like porn, but my objections aren't related to my being feminist: rather, they're stylistic objections. I simply find it (or most of it) too ugly, vulgar and fake.
When watching movies, arousal is, in my opinion, pretty much like fear: suspense works so much better than action in building up a nice climax. When you're imagining a monster, or a villain, you're much more afraid than when you actually see it/him. I can be turned on by watching a movie, porn or not, but when it's all as predictable as some girl with her legs wide open, moaning far too much to be believable, constant close-ups of vaginas and penises, etc (what's the point, is this a medical video?), really, I could think of a thousand better ways to spend 10 minutes of my time.
As a matter of fact, I remember in particular one porn video I once saw that I thought was nice. It was a lesbian scene of two women that spent a lot of time kissing and caressing each other, making eye contact and being affectionate and erotic, before actually having (oral) sex. And there were no ridiculously massive dildos, no laughable earth-shaking moans and, of course, close-ups were kept to a bare minimum and weren't, well, so close.
It looked real, it wasn't mechanical and it wasn't devoid of human-like interaction. And yet, I bet that most people who usually watch commercial porn would have thought it was boring... It's obviously a matter of personal taste.
However, I insist that I don't mind if my SO watches your typical porn video and I can watch it too. It's not like I'm going to throw up at the sight of it or anything. But neither of us is especially interested anyway.
Yes maybe that's why I had/still have to a degree a thing for lesbian porn. It's more erotic than most straight porn. I actually like the idea of foreplay, being touched, sweet-talked by my lover, while a lot of men just want to go into the kill. I've noticed porn doesn't usually portray men erotically, except some gay porn, but most of that is just about having rough sex.
Yeah I find most porn just boring and cliche if anything. Especially the whiney noises they make that are supposed to be a realistic portrayal of female pleasure. Like women have said, the men in these porn films are often nothing special either, apart from having a big johnson.
What risk or danger does watching porn pose to a relationship or society?
For starters,
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The other line of evidence deals with "non-aggressive" pornography, that which excludes rape and violence, but graphically depicts all other forms of sex (groups, homosexuals, switching, anal, oral, etc.). Massive exposure to this kind of pornography was found to: (1) desensitize the viewers to the material's breaking of sexual taboos, causing the viewers to become more accepting of it and much less concerned about its negative effects; (2) cause the viewers to regard rape as a more trivial offense, with men particularly showing major increases of sexual callousness toward women; (3) increase the viewers' loss of compassion for women as rape victims. In a sense, then, this kind of pornography as male entertainment promotes the victimization of women.
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The following link cites another study with the same results, along with countless studies that make the connection between violent pornography and rape clear.
Note that Zillmann's study defines "massive exposure" as LESS THAN FIVE HOURS IN SIX WEEKS. For those of you dismissing the first study's findings with "Oh, I don't watch THAT much porn", you may want to take a second look at your routine.
Another link for your overlooking- op! reading pleasure directs you to a study but first summarizes it for you...
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This paper quantitatively summarizes the literature examining the association between acceptance of rape myths and exposure to pornography. In this meta-analysis, nonexperimental methodology shows almost no effect (exposure to pornography does not increase rape myth acceptance), while experimental studies show positive effect (exposure to pornography does increase rape myth acceptance). Although the experimental studies demonstrate that violent pornography has more effect than nonviolent pornography, nonviolent pornography still demonstrates an effect.
" Exposure to Pornography and Acceptance of Rape Myths - Allen - 2006 - Journal of Communication - Wiley Online Library
For those of you who don't know, the rape myth is basically that women on some level WANT to be raped.
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There are some relationships that greatly benefit from it.
Relationships can "benefit" from any number of things. Pornography is far from necessary. Therefore, if my relationship with my girlfriend was suffering in some way, I would not turn to pornography to fix it. As I asked before, why would I?
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I may sound a bit hypocritical but I do agree with Vic that porn isn't totally innocent. I definitely wouldn't want my children watching it, of course, and some type of porn is just sick (e.g. animal porn). 11 year olds these days know all about anal sex, group sex and it's disturbing. Teenage girls and boys are getting their ideas from porn, which they can access in the internet. Back in the day only grown men watched porn because they had to rent a video-tape or buy a magazine. Not anymore.
There is this fascination with depravity, although I think most people stick with the 'vanilla' stuff. There is an immoral element to the whole porn industry, certainly, other than the question of values.
…refers to TONS of studies, citing each properly, that run the course from one potential harm of pornography to the next.
“Males who are shown non-violent scenes that sexually objectified and degraded women and were then exposed to material that depicted rape indicated that the rape victim experienced pleasure and “got what she wanted.” “
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The other line of evidence deals with "non-aggressive" pornography, that which excludes rape and violence, but graphically depicts all other forms of sex (groups, homosexuals, switching, anal, oral, etc.). Massive exposure to this kind of pornography was found to: (1) desensitize the viewers to the material's breaking of sexual taboos, causing the viewers to become more accepting of it and much less concerned about its negative effects; (2) cause the viewers to regard rape as a more trivial offense, with men particularly showing major increases of sexual callousness toward women; (3) increase the viewers' loss of compassion for women as rape victims. In a sense, then, this kind of pornography as male entertainment promotes the victimization of women.
"
The following link cites another study with the same results, along with countless studies that make the connection between violent pornography and rape clear.
Note that Zillmann's study defines "massive exposure" as LESS THAN FIVE HOURS IN SIX WEEKS. For those of you dismissing the first study's findings with "Oh, I don't watch THAT much porn", you may want to take a second look at your routine.
Another link for your overlooking- op! reading pleasure directs you to a study but first summarizes it for you...
"
This paper quantitatively summarizes the literature examining the association between acceptance of rape myths and exposure to pornography. In this meta-analysis, nonexperimental methodology shows almost no effect (exposure to pornography does not increase rape myth acceptance), while experimental studies show positive effect (exposure to pornography does increase rape myth acceptance). Although the experimental studies demonstrate that violent pornography has more effect than nonviolent pornography, nonviolent pornography still demonstrates an effect.
" Exposure to Pornography and Acceptance of Rape Myths - Allen - 2006 - Journal of Communication - Wiley Online Library
For those of you who don't know, the rape myth is basically that women on some level WANT to be raped.
Relationships can "benefit" from any number of things. Pornography is far from necessary. Therefore, if my relationship with my girlfriend was suffering in some way, I would not turn to pornography to fix it. As I asked before, why would I?
OK, here is a study that shows it isnt as black and white as some would like to make it. It clearly shows benefits in addition to drawbacks.
"The self-perceived effects of “hardcore” pornography consumption were studied in a large representative sample of young adult Danish men and women aged 18–30. Using a survey that included the newly developed Pornography Consumption Effect Scale, we assessed participants’ reports of how pornography has affected them personally in various areas, including their sexual knowledge, attitudes toward sex, attitudes toward and perception of the opposite sex, sex life, and general quality of life. Across all areas investigated, participants reported only small, if any, negative effects with men reporting slightly more negative effects than women. In contrast, moderate positive effects were generally reported by both men and women, with men reporting significantly more positive effects than women. For both sexes, sexual background factors were found to significantly predict both positive and negative effects of pornography consumption. Although the proportion of variance in positive effects accounted for by sexual background factors was substantial, it was small for negative effects. We discuss how the findings may be interpreted differently by supporters and opponents of pornography due to the reliance in this study on reported self-perceptions of effects. Nonetheless, we conclude that the overall findings suggest that many young Danish adults believe that pornography has had primarily a positive effect on various aspects of their lives"
This study was conducted 2 years after the ones you are quoting byt everyone can weigh validity of the sources as they see fit. Who ever claimed that pornography is a necessity????? WHo ever said you should fix your relationship with pornography????? Who said anything relating to rape and pornographic films representing such acts???? I have absolutely zero problem with your choice and keeping porn away from your relationship. We were all given a brain and can make those decisions for ourselves. Hope everyone is open minded enough to agree that if a couple does find benefits in watching porn together, there is nothing wrong with it either.
OK, here is a study that shows it isnt as black and white as some would like to make it. It clearly shows benefits in addition to drawbacks.
"The self-perceived effects of “hardcore” pornography consumption were studied..."
Seriously? Are ya kidding?
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This study was conducted 2 years after the ones you are quoting byt everyone can weigh validity of the sources as they see fit.
Even assuming this is true (I won't bother to go to each link just to see when it was created), you are referring to a single study, not a collection of studies, much less a meta-analysis. You're right, people here can interpret everything we've provided however they wish (and most of them will do just that, and JUST that) However, I would have anyone weighing validity to weigh WEIGHT as well...
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Who ever claimed that pornography is a necessity????? WHo ever said you should fix your relationship with pornography?????
No one, and no one. My point was merely that since pornography isn't necessary, it isn't worth the risk.
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Who said anything relating to rape and pornographic films representing such acts????
Of course, much of what I cited was referring to "regular" pornography that DIDN'T represent or depict such acts... Still, a rather considerable collection of studies and meta-analyses have found what researchers believe to be a connection between the viewing of pornography and pro-rape mentality. I believe that fits into "What are the dangers of pornography?", don't you?
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I have absolutely zero problem with your choice and keeping porn away from your relationship. We were all given a brain and can make those decisions for ourselves. Hope everyone is open minded enough to agree that if a couple does find benefits in watching porn together, there is nothing wrong with it either.
Well we can certainly be "open minded" enough to ASSUME that, yes. And I tried really hard not to imply that I think everyone (or even most - hell, even HALF) of those who watch pornography will inevitably be adversely affected in some way. All I'm saying is it's a risk, and one not worth taking.
Well we can certainly be "open minded" enough to ASSUME that, yes. And I tried really hard not to imply that I think everyone (or even most - hell, even HALF) of those who watch pornography will inevitably be adversely affected in some way. All I'm saying is it's a risk, and one not worth taking.
There are many more studies that show that there are those that benefit from watching porn, as a couple or single - but Im too lazy to research this topic at the moment. What is a risk not worth taking to you, maybe a risk worth taking to someone else. Most people in todays modern world, are fully aware of what porn is, before getting into a meaningful relationship and can make these decisions based on their own experience, morals and values. I simply dont agree with a statement that pornography is damaging and should be avoided at all costs, because its a blanket statement, that has been proven wrong by scientists on many occasions.
There are many more studies that show that there are those that benefit from watching porn, as a couple or single -but Im too lazy to research this topic at the moment.
Okay, well after I ask you just this once, I'll be too lazy to ask you to show me these studies (This is how I'll choose to let you do your thing while I do mine) Just please make sure they're not studying "self-perceived effects"...
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What is a risk not worth taking to you, maybe a risk worth taking to someone else.
The problem here is that we're not talking about a risk only to the viewers of pornography and their SOs, but to everyone they interact with. If there is any merit to any of these findings connecting the exposure to pornography to the rape myth, for example, this can have considerable play in other people's lives.
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Most people in todays modern world, are fully aware of what porn is, before getting into a meaningful relationship and can make these decisions based on their own experience, morals and values. I simply dont agree with a statement that pornography is damaging and should be avoided at all costs, because its a blanket statement, that has been proven wrong by scientists on many occasions.
The statement, "Pornography is damaging" has been disproven by scientists on many occasions? If you mean "Pornography is ALWAYS damaging", maybe. But they've got a long way to go to prove it isn't damaging at all.
Yeah, people know what pornography IS; but it's probably a minority that is sufficiently educated on the matter. "Avoid pornography" would be my advice, yes. Not really a statement, just advice given based on the evidence and pornography's lack of necessity.
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It's obviously a matter of personal taste.
