Women seeing women as sexier than men (lesbian, how to, attracted)

[Trimac20]

I stumbled upon this blog post:

Women Seeing Women as Sexier than Men | BroadBlogs

It's like this person can read my mind. This is pretty much the point I've been trying to make. I think the threads about men showing off their body, the rise in female bisexuality and female objectification all tie together. Females are indeed usually portrayed sexually in the media, and this affects both men and women. Women begin to associate other women with sex and sexiness, which as the author says 'makes their sexuality convoluted'. I find it odd when straight women in droves begin to objectively argue for women being the sexier gender. Do they forget the amount of cosmetic modification of the typical female body? Compare the average woman - no makeup, no fake tan, no fake breasts, with the average male. I'm straight and I find the female body sexually stimulating, but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate the male form. It doesn't make one better than the other. Women put all their eggs in the basket labelled 'beauty' so that's how they derive their self-worth. They're glad to be told they're biologically superior in this area. They might not be as strong but they're more beautiful right? Of course makeup just enhances their natural beauty, so they say.

This may sound academic but it has consequences. As I said in my response to the original blog post, ancient Greece is a diametric mirror of what is happening today. It may sound extreme, but if this trend continues, in 20 years it's not inconceivable we may see female bisexuality, and then even lesbianism rise exponentially. Women will reject men in favour of sexier women who are more understand, can relate to them (I've heard women should experiment with lesbian sex because only a woman knows how to please another woman, um yeah). I think there's an under-current of militant feminism in this kind of thinking that males, lapping out all that female homoerotic content, are oblivious to.

Women seem less and less erotically attracted to men. Which is weird, because they began to in the 1970s...now a lot of young women see the male body as boring or even disgusting. What else explains their horror at men wearing speedos to the beach? Given how promiscuous they are they shouldn't be afraid of male genitals. If those tests measuring genital stimulation to images show that women are more stimulated by other women, that wouldn't actually surprise me. They've been conditioned to. Their sexuality is largely mental, they're not as on/off as men are about it.

I'm beginning to wonder if women are indeed innately all that straight or rather, if they have an orientation at all, or is it just moulded by what they're told? I'm not a women so this is all assumption, so please feel free to dispute me. How come when talking about how sexy we are it's about muscles, power, personality half the time? How many women appreciate a man's WHOLE body, or are displays of male sexiness, usually muscle-bound torsos, merely displays of strength, domination and sexual fulfillment for the woman?

Historically men have probably been the more bisexual gender...so no, I don't think females being innately 'sexier' has anything to do with women being more bisexual.

Weirdly this post is the one of the few posts that addresses the differences in male and female fashion. There's no logical reason women show more leg than men (other than to attract men). If women are straight they shouldn't argue for their right to wear skimpy hot pants but be disgusted if men do the same. As the author said, no, they don't have 'better legs', especially if they didn't shave. It's just that most men are more turned on by the female form, so it is objectified and this weird dichotomy is normalized. Some may argue that 'men are allowed to go topless'...guess what, that RE-EMPHASIZES my point. Female breasts are seen as sexual and thus not fit for civilised eyes. Tribal societies would argue with that.

In ancient tribal societies you don't see men covering up and women nearly nude. Sometimes the opposite occurs to a degree (Islam, cultures that over-value modesty) but mostly there is no dichotomy. In these society's men's bodies are not objects of shame or scorn, but are celebrated as much as women's are. Why are men who show off their God-given bodies considered gay? Why are men so rarely portrayed in a truly erotic light? It's as if men are afraid of having homo-erotic thoughts, so revel in all this pop cultural lesbianism. Honestly, if a woman is only turned on by my 'dominating of her' or how I sweet talk her, and not my body, it's almost like I feel I need to go bi so that I can have a man properly lust after my body lol just kidding. I guess the way some guys are it's understandable. If they don't think men are sexy it's no surprise women don't. Heck I've met men who feel insecure if they consider themselves sexy...

[Ali1234]

Does this mean all women are gay and few choose to admit it?

[Suncc49]

Bi-Sexual women are hard to understand for me.....

[Geography Freak]

Women are not visual creatures to the extent that we men are - admit it and move on. If you want to be cherished as a man **** maybe you should become gay - there's a culture that celebrates the male body.

As for women being sexier, I remember my mom saying that women's bodies are nicer than men's, but I think she's the only woman I heard saying that.

[onihC]

Originally Posted by Geography Freak

Women are not visual creatures to the extent that we men are

Not sure about this theory. Put a man half-naked in front of women and you bet women will look at him. I could say men in muslim countries that I have visited are not visual because no man turns their head to see a woman. Nope, women are covered from head to toes so there’s nothing to turn their heads around for. Apply that to any other country where there is simply no revealing clothes for men. Maybe gay to gay.

If women were not visual creatures then why would they scream hysterically for handsome actors, singers, dancers, athletes, etc. who sometimes you wonder how they got famous if the talent is not really there for many of them.

Is there such a thing as a sexy man or pretty man? Maybe handsome man, I'll give you that.

[Trimac20]

Originally Posted by onihC

Not sure about this theory. Put a man half-naked in front of women and you bet women will look at him. I could say men in muslim countries that I have visited are not visual because no man turns their head to see a woman. Nope, women are covered from head to toes so there’s nothing to turn their heads around for. Apply that to any other country where there is simply no revealing clothes for men. Maybe gay to gay.

If women were not visual creatures then why would they scream hysterically for handsome actors, singers, dancers, athletes, etc. who sometimes you wonder how they got famous if the talent is not really there for many of them.

Is there such a thing as a sexy man or pretty man? Maybe handsome man, I'll give you that.

Zac Effron is prettier than most of the woman I see walking down the street, lol. There's a difference between being pretty and just attractive in a general sense, although when it comes to women the distinction is fine. Like Ava Gardner, imo, isn't really 'pretty' but she was beautiful. Certainly, I think there are 'pretty men' and 'handsome women', while men and women obviously usually look like men and women, everyone falls on a spectrum of how masculine/feminine they look. There are masculine looking women and feminine looking men. Back in the 1880s, for instance, a lot of the women looked like men, facially speaking. I didn't hear many proclaim that women were objectively the more beautiful sex. It was a better way to judge which gender was better looking. I.e., they were equal. Women have to feel more beautiful to feel more powerful. The thread asking if you'd care if you were less attractive than your SO is an example.

[LS Jaun]

I don't agree from my personal experience.
One thing I can say for the woman I have seen in my life is they always comment on my shape in a very positive and sexual way. I don't work out but I stay active and I usually get compared with a Greek statue which I take as a major compliment, especially as an admirer of Art. Even the few bisexual woman I have seen say they would never give up man equipment for woman equipment.

[Lucidkitty]

Originally Posted by Trimac20

I stumbled upon this blog post:

Women Seeing Women as Sexier than Men | BroadBlogs

It's like this person can read my mind. This is pretty much the point I've been trying to make. I think the threads about men showing off their body, the rise in female bisexuality and female objectification all tie together. Females are indeed usually portrayed sexually in the media, and this affects both men and women. Women begin to associate other women with sex and sexiness, which as the author says 'makes their sexuality convoluted'. I find it odd when straight women in droves begin to objectively argue for women being the sexier gender. Do they forget the amount of cosmetic modification of the typical female body? Compare the average woman - no makeup, no fake tan, no fake breasts, with the average male. I'm straight and I find the female body sexually stimulating, but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate the male form. It doesn't make one better than the other. Women put all their eggs in the basket labelled 'beauty' so that's how they derive their self-worth. They're glad to be told they're biologically superior in this area. They might not be as strong but they're more beautiful right? Of course makeup just enhances their natural beauty, so they say.

This may sound academic but it has consequences. As I said in my response to the original blog post, ancient Greece is a diametric mirror of what is happening today. It may sound extreme, but if this trend continues, in 20 years it's not inconceivable we may see female bisexuality, and then even lesbianism rise exponentially. Women will reject men in favour of sexier women who are more understand, can relate to them (I've heard women should experiment with lesbian sex because only a woman knows how to please another woman, um yeah). I think there's an under-current of militant feminism in this kind of thinking that males, lapping out all that female homoerotic content, are oblivious to.

Women seem less and less erotically attracted to men. Which is weird, because they began to in the 1970s...now a lot of young women see the male body as boring or even disgusting. What else explains their horror at men wearing speedos to the beach? Given how promiscuous they are they shouldn't be afraid of male genitals. If those tests measuring genital stimulation to images show that women are more stimulated by other women, that wouldn't actually surprise me. They've been conditioned to. Their sexuality is largely mental, they're not as on/off as men are about it.

I'm beginning to wonder if women are indeed innately all that straight or rather, if they have an orientation at all, or is it just moulded by what they're told? I'm not a women so this is all assumption, so please feel free to dispute me. How come when talking about how sexy we are it's about muscles, power, personality half the time? How many women appreciate a man's WHOLE body, or are displays of male sexiness, usually muscle-bound torsos, merely displays of strength, domination and sexual fulfillment for the woman?

Historically men have probably been the more bisexual gender...so no, I don't think females being innately 'sexier' has anything to do with women being more bisexual.

Weirdly this post is the one of the few posts that addresses the differences in male and female fashion. There's no logical reason women show more leg than men (other than to attract men). If women are straight they shouldn't argue for their right to wear skimpy hot pants but be disgusted if men do the same. As the author said, no, they don't have 'better legs', especially if they didn't shave. It's just that most men are more turned on by the female form, so it is objectified and this weird dichotomy is normalized. Some may argue that 'men are allowed to go topless'...guess what, that RE-EMPHASIZES my point. Female breasts are seen as sexual and thus not fit for civilised eyes. Tribal societies would argue with that.

In ancient tribal societies you don't see men covering up and women nearly nude. Sometimes the opposite occurs to a degree (Islam, cultures that over-value modesty) but mostly there is no dichotomy. In these society's men's bodies are not objects of shame or scorn, but are celebrated as much as women's are. Why are men who show off their God-given bodies considered gay? Why are men so rarely portrayed in a truly erotic light? It's as if men are afraid of having homo-erotic thoughts, so revel in all this pop cultural lesbianism. Honestly, if a woman is only turned on by my 'dominating of her' or how I sweet talk her, and not my body, it's almost like I feel I need to go bi so that I can have a man properly lust after my body lol just kidding. I guess the way some guys are it's understandable. If they don't think men are sexy it's no surprise women don't. Heck I've met men who feel insecure if they consider themselves sexy...

Most women are not bisexual.

[Geography Freak]

Originally Posted by Trimac20

Zac Effron is prettier than most of the woman I see walking down the street, lol. There's a difference between being pretty and just attractive in a general sense, although when it comes to women the distinction is fine. Like Ava Gardner, imo, isn't really 'pretty' but she was beautiful. Certainly, I think there are 'pretty men' and 'handsome women', while men and women obviously usually look like men and women, everyone falls on a spectrum of how masculine/feminine they look. There are masculine looking women and feminine looking men. Back in the 1880s, for instance, a lot of the women looked like men, facially speaking. I didn't hear many proclaim that women were objectively the more beautiful sex. It was a better way to judge which gender was better looking. I.e., they were equal. Women have to feel more beautiful to feel more powerful. The thread asking if you'd care if you were less attractive than your SO is an example.

Let me get this right: you feel jealous of women because they steal the spotlight from you or something like that? I don't quite get where you're coming from. What is it to you if people think women are prettier? I for one do and it doesn't bother me one bit.

[Trimac20]

Originally Posted by Geography Freak

Let me get this right: you feel jealous of women because they steal the spotlight from you or something like that? I don't quite get where you're coming from. What is it to you if people think women are prettier? I for one do and it doesn't bother me one bit.

All I said was that some men can be pretty, as pretty or even more pretty than some women. Of course overall women are prettier. I have no problem with it too, if women looked exactly like men it wouldn't be so great lol.