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Which is just as strange. The net is truly a collection of the weird and disgruntled. But, it gives people something to do at least. Any how, I asked a question earlier and I was hoping you would answer it. In the youtube guy's about me section he said, IRT feminism, that he'll do whatever he has to in order to win. What exactly is he going to win? Do you know?
I'm subscribed to a lot of people who are anti-feminist, not just him. And I rarely visit people's channels and read their "About Me". But I don't know what he's referring to though.
My office experiences are from real life. As for "Sex and the City," one doesn't need that show (which I watched twice, shaking my head) to know that girls can be raunchy too.
So, you know the interpersonal relationships of the guys in your office? There's quite a bit of that kind of "in the know" on CD. I sort of work in an office. I definitely have colleagues, but I'm simply in the dark about the kind of stuff ya'll know about the people you work with. It must be a laid back, confiding type of work environment.
I'm subscribed to a lot of people who anti-feminist, not just him. And I rarely visit people's channels and read their "About Me". But I don't know what he's referring to though.
Maybe he doesn't know what he's referring to either. That would be my guess based on the flaky analysis.
Obama's thing might be that he was raised by a single mother, IIRC, and that he was mentored as a young attorney by his now-wife Michele. I don't pay much attention to politics and politicians, but this much I was able to glean. Maybe he puts women on a "pedestal." I detest the "pedestal" syndrome - in either direction. It means the person who loves "less" controls .... another topic.
But then, "Slick Willie" was also raised by a single mom, yet he is in a power marriage of convenience and has a history of cheating on his wife. Amazing that women find someone so smarmy "charming."
Back to the topic, I think some males DO contribute to misandry. I don't think it's common, but we've all seen it if we dig into our memory banks. I think it's mostly a competitive issue, where the "male feminist" (I'll use that term) is insecure and boosts himself by denigrating other men, elevating women in the process. In fact, in my 3 experiences with such co-workers, they were all insecure, but only one was actually malicious.
No I don't really like the 'objectification' of women myself but it really does take two to tango, it's not like women are the helpless victims being preyed upon by men, as the usual story goes. .
But in the case of absentee fathers, it didn't take two to tango? What the...? Your whole cry was that it was unfair for Obama to have taken absentee fathers to task. Um. They didn't know they were having sex?
Or maybe you're saying it happened fully without the man's knowledge? I didn't think the cost of artificial insemination was that low now, that the average woman could accomplish it. And without the man knowing? Now THAT really is a trick. I am trying to picture this but am only coming up with images that either make me giggle or shake my head...but if you say so...
ETA: I'm sorry to tell you I can't comment on Maury. I don't watch the show. (I mean...seriously? Some of you guys are scaring me now. )
Moving along...Someone (I don't think it was you, Trimac, but I need to run & don't have time to search backward) also said "proof" was in the fact that men are punished "more severely" than women for similar crimes. Actually, that statement is true. Unfortunately, it is only half a statement. The other half is:
The majority of men are punished more severely than the majority of women for their crimes because for the majority of male criminals, it is not a first offense. The stronger punishment is based on being a repeat offender, not on having an XY genotype.
Yeah. The reason why most of those fathers are absent is because the mothers keep them out of their kids' lives.
I'm not going to say you're wrong on all counts. This does happen and it needs to be addressed. My own mother did this to me, without realising that I'd grow up one day and find out the truth. I could be bitter towards women just for that alone and for the rejections I've gone through, but what would it achieve? I gave up being bitter long ago. It's like a cancer that eats away at your soul. My advice (for your sake) is to let it go. Both men and women are wronged in this world. There are fathers who do genuinely bugger off and refuse to pay child support, just as there are women who do everything in their power to push "dad" out of their kids' lives. What can I say? People suck, make or female. Sooner or later though, people in general will have to snap out of that "us versus them" mentality and start accepting that we all bleed the same and hurt the same.
At the end of the day, many people (including yours truly) just want equality and a level playing field, whether that's gender equality or racial equality. I don't like discrimination, period.
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Obama's thing might be that he was raised by a single mother, IIRC, and that he was mentored as a young attorney by his now-wife Michele. I don't pay much attention to politics and politicians, but this much I was able to glean. Maybe he puts women on a "pedestal." I detest the "pedestal" syndrome - in either direction. It means the person who loves "less" controls .... another topic.
But then, "Slick Willie" was also raised by a single mom, yet he is in a power marriage of convenience and has a history of cheating on his wife. Amazing that women find someone so smarmy "charming."
Back to the topic, I think some males DO contribute to misandry. I don't think it's common, but we've all seen it if we dig into our memory banks. I think it's mostly a competitive issue, where the "male feminist" (I'll use that term) is insecure and boosts himself by denigrating other men, elevating women in the process. In fact, in my 3 experiences with such co-workers, they were all insecure, but only one was actually malicious.
I know one guy - he's a 32 year old virgin - who seems a bit like a male feminist. He's attracted to strong, older women and tends to get walked upon a lot. He's not religious, but seems vehemently against any 'objectification' of women (he's very anti-porn, which I actually do respect). He's a pretty nice guy, but he was kind of taken advantage by an older woman who lead him on a bit.
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But in the case of absentee fathers, it didn't take two to tango? What the...? Your whole cry was that it was unfair for Obama to have taken absentee fathers to task. Um. They didn't know they were having sex?
Or maybe you're saying it happened fully without the man's knowledge? I didn't think the cost of artificial insemination was that low now, that the average woman could accomplish it. And without the man knowing? Now THAT really is a trick. I am trying to picture this but am only coming up with images that either make me giggle or shake my head...but if you say so...
ETA: I'm sorry to tell you I can't comment on Maury. I don't watch the show. (I mean...seriously? Some of you guys are scaring me now. )
Moving along...Someone (I don't think it was you, Trimac, but I need to run & don't have time to search backward) also said "proof" was in the fact that men are punished "more severely" than women for similar crimes. Actually, that statement is true. Unfortunately, it is only half a statement. The other half is:
The majority of men are punished more severely than the majority of women for their crimes because for the majority of male criminals, it is not a first offense. The stronger punishment is based on being a repeat offender, not on having an XY genotype.
You might have misunderstood I was referring to women in porn, men's mags or whatever you were referring to. Many women definitely exploit that and many women tolerate that sort of thing or aspire to it. I wasn't talking about absentee fathers. I agree, I don't hold a very high view of them.
Is feminist supposed to be a good word or a bad word here?
I notice that though it often is supposed to have good connotations (eg. someone who supports equality), sometimes in some circles (such as on the forum), it has bad connotations (such as women who take advantage of men etc.).
I know one guy - he's a 32 year old virgin - who seems a bit like a male feminist. He's attracted to strong, older women and tends to get walked upon a lot. He's not religious, but seems vehemently against any 'objectification' of women (he's very anti-porn, which I actually do respect). He's a pretty nice guy, but he was kind of taken advantage by an older woman who lead him on a bit.
Unfortunately in our cruel society, people who are perceived as weak, too nice or malleable get taken advantage of. This applies to men and women alike.
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What the...? Your whole cry was that it was unfair for Obama to have taken absentee fathers to task. Um. They didn't know they were having sex? 
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