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Old 04-23-2012, 12:21 PM
 
Location: NE PA
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Interesting that during WWII when women stepped up to work in the factories, leaving their children unattended or with others, no one blinked and eye and yelled feminist conspiracy to subvert biology.
Comparing a time of world war, where a majority of the men were off fighting in the military, to two parents working and shoving the kids into the care of $8/hour daycare workers so they can buy the latest luxury SUV and vinyl-sided-castle is apples and oranges....no, make that apples and asparagus.

 
Old 04-23-2012, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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No, I wasn't born in the 20s. I'm aware there are still men like this, though, and I don't care to associate with them.

Edit: Since someone may have a problem with me deciding not to associate with sexists: I can't respect a person who thinks someone shouldn't do what they want just because of the way they were born. It's wrong to assume someone should assume a role whether they want to or not in this context.
My wife would like to stay home and raise our kids if we can work it out financially. Does that make her a sexist too?
 
Old 04-23-2012, 12:23 PM
 
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How is civilization broken, and how greatly are you referring to it? The US? The West? Entire industrialized world?

But mainly this: Specifically how is civilization broken and what is the result of it?
Mostly western civilization. Its broken because people dont have any clue as to what their gender roles are. Men are feminine, women dont want to be women because its degrading to them. Its all types of screwed up in my opinion.
 
Old 04-23-2012, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Cumberland Co., TN
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The comments were that Mrs. Romney couldnt understand or advise her husband concerning economics because she hasnt held a job. Granted it was a crappy comment, but you are twisting it to mean she was being shamed for being a SAHM. All the media supported Ann Romney and SAHMs.
 
Old 04-23-2012, 12:25 PM
 
Location: NE PA
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The comments were that Mrs. Romney couldnt understand or advise her husband concerning economics because she hasnt held a job. Granted it was a crappy comment, but you are twisting it to mean she was being shamed for being a SAHM. All the media supported Ann Romney and SAHMs.
But she did hold a job....probably the most important job anyone can hold.
 
Old 04-23-2012, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Cumberland Co., TN
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Comparing a time of world war, where a majority of the men were off fighting in the military, to two parents working and shoving the kids into the care of $8/hour daycare workers so they can buy the latest luxury SUV and vinyl-sided-castle is apples and oranges....no, make that apples and asparagus.

Not when your blaming feminism for the destruction of civilizations because now women are in the workforce because they WANT to be, while supporting the exact thing because it benefited men and the war effort when women were working because the NEEDED to. The bottom line is that the kids were left alone or in the care of others and women's "maternal instinct" was alive and well in both situations. You cant have your cake and eat it too.

You dont know the reasons couples use daycare. You are assuming it is to buy stuff.
 
Old 04-23-2012, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Cumberland Co., TN
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But she did hold a job....probably the most important job anyone can hold.
Quit playing ignorant. Im not debating being a SAHM isnt an important job. Im not debating that SAHM have a very good knowledge of economics. The statment was concerning Mrs. Romney never worked outside the home, much less as an economist. Thats all. SAHM's were never attacked or looked down on.
 
Old 04-23-2012, 12:33 PM
 
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Is this a daycare issue? Because I work with several women whose children stay with sisters, mothers, sister-in-laws etc. Is that acceptable because its not a "stranger" (which is going to happen regardless when they go to school anyways)or is that still not neutering maternal instincts because the mother herself is not with the child 24/7?
 
Old 04-23-2012, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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Sorry, i see alot of brainwashed people sharing opinions here. Fenminist movement has done a great job in destroying this civilization. I am blown away that some of you are denying maternal instincts. Absolutely mind numbing to me.
The fact that you apparently have a rudimentary grasp of social structure within the animal kingdom at large doesn't really equate to others being brainwashed.

Going to work doesn't strip someone of maternal (or paternal, for that matter) instincts.
 
Old 04-23-2012, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Mostly western civilization. Its broken because people dont have any clue as to what their gender roles are. Men are feminine, women dont want to be women because its degrading to them. Its all types of screwed up in my opinion.
And what are those roles, who defines them and where do they come from? And again, how specifically is our civilization broken?

I'm a man, very comfortably so and my wife is most definitely a woman (a hot one at that ) but why should we let that define who does what in the relationship, when it works far better the way we do things now?

If/When we have kids, if we can afford to only have one income, and that is something we want, trust me, we'll both have part time jobs, as I don't see any reason why she should have any greater right to spend time with our children as they grow up.


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But she did hold a job....probably the most important job anyone can hold.
A job most people manage just fine even if both parents work full time.
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