Women would rather have a Chris Brown then a nice guy (celebrities, ugly)
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Ive had it with women. Sick of being used for a few free meals then never hear from them again. Tired of writing long well thought out messages on match .com and not hear so much as a one sentence reply. Tired of their superficial impossibly high standards . Maybe I'll just start being a self obsessed, arrogant, jerk then Ill start getting girls in droves!
You don't have to be an 'arrogant jerk'. Here's a few rules to live by:
1) I always arrange for drinks on a first date. A drink or two isn't expensive (I always pay, like a man should) and you can get to know someone very well, since a drink or two takes the edge off.
2) I usually go for some sort of 'event' for the second date, i.e. a big party, a bar where a band is playing, etcetera. Again, usually not expensive.
3) After the second date, if there is no form of physical intimacy, then I move on. There is one and only one caveat, if a girl says "I really like you, I just want to take things slow because that's how I am", then I can wait. In other words, outside of physical intimacy, there HAS to be some sort of direct indication on her part that we are more than friends. Even then, after a couple of more dates if there is no form of physical intimacy (making out, groping, etc.), then I move on. After all, a man's gotta eat
All of the above is light on the wallet and doesn't take too much creative energy.
You don't have to be an 'arrogant jerk'. Here's a few rules to live by:
1) I always arrange for drinks on a first date. A drink or two isn't expensive (I always pay, like a man should) and you can get to know someone very well, since a drink or two takes the edge off.
2) I usually go for some sort of 'event' for the second date, i.e. a big party, a bar where a band is playing, etcetera. Again, usually not expensive.
3) After the second date, if there is no form of physical intimacy, then I move on. There is one and only one caveat, if a girl says "I really like you, I just want to take things slow because that's how I am", then I can wait. In other words, outside of physical intimacy, there HAS to be some sort of direct indication on her part that we are more than friends. Even then, after a couple of more dates if there is no form of physical intimacy (making out, groping, etc.), then I move on. After all, a man's gotta eat
All of the above is light on the wallet and doesn't take too much creative energy.
Fairly good advice. The #1 advice that would improve nice guys so much is no dinner dates ever. No exceptions. Only do dinner dates after you had sex with her and in a stable relationship. The wallet will thank you, so will your penis, and your body too because you won't have to stress about the money you will spend on a girl that will most likely go nowhere.
Fairly good advice. The #1 advice that would improve nice guys so much is no dinner dates ever. No exceptions. Only do dinner dates after you had sex with her and in a stable relationship. The wallet will thank you, so will your penis, and your body too because you won't have to stress about the money you will spend on a girl that will most likely go nowhere.
You're insane. I would think it really weird to not have dinner together at some point soon in the relationship.
Fairly good advice. The #1 advice that would improve nice guys so much is no dinner dates ever. No exceptions. Only do dinner dates after you had sex with her and in a stable relationship. The wallet will thank you, so will your penis, and your body too because you won't have to stress about the money you will spend on a girl that will most likely go nowhere.
I mostly agree, but sometimes it's hard to avoid the dinner date, since that is the most available time for most people. I don't like them for any number of reasons, one would be no one is at their best while eating food. If you talk you could chew with your mouth open, you eat too much and your bloated and tired...of course I'm exaggerating a little bit, but I do think it's bad particularly for a first date.
You're insane. I would think it really weird to not have dinner together at some point soon in the relationship.
That's why you have the dinner date after you enter the relationship not before. Dinner dates have a low success rate and cause a lot of awkwardness. You can't get flirty or touchy feely with her either which hurts a Dinner scenario. It's not so much dinner you should avoid, its dinner at a sitdown restaurant. If you want to get takeout chinese, that's cool.
I mostly agree, but sometimes it's hard to avoid the dinner date, since that is the most available time for most people. I don't like them for any number of reasons, one would be no one is at their best while eating food. If you talk you could chew with your mouth open, you eat too much and your bloated and tired...of course I'm exaggerating a little bit, but I do think it's bad particularly for a first date.
Well it depends. Who are you talking to ? Everyone ? Students ? Workers ? Old people ? I mean it all depends. As a young male in his mid 20's i'd say that the dinner thing is the less likely thing to happen. Oh yeah, we will eat together at some point, no doubt. But not in the typical '' Let's go to a classy restaurant '' form. I much prefer bringing the girl home and cooking her dinner or getting some sushi with her. Way more fun and original than the good ol' boring restaurant dinner thing.
No wonder so many of you guys are having difficulty.
Jeez, you want us to spell it out for you ?
If you can't see how you can possibly get flrty during an intimate meal, then you really should give up now.
Either that or the definition of "flirty" has changed somewhat !
You guys don't need advice, you need to give yourselves a damn good shake !
Your "man card" is just one step from being revoked !
No wonder so many of you guys are having difficulty.
Jeez, you want us to spell it out for you ?
If you can't see how you can possibly get flrty during an intimate meal, then you really should give up now.
Either that or the definition of "flirty" has changed somewhat !
You guys don't need advice, you need to give yourselves a damn good shake !
Your "man card" is just one step from being revoked !
I don't think he grasps subtle flirting, which can be FAR more interesting than more direct flirting. I think he thinks the only way to flirt is with some sort of physical action, and since he can't touch a woman he's sitting across from (although, lawd help me if a man reaches across the table and does the 'stroke the hand' thing...sheesh ) that it simply doesn't count.
Some men really need to learn to art of subtle flirting and teasing. Not just jumping in and trying to touch her on the first date.
Ive had it with women. Sick of being used for a few free meals then never hear from them again. Tired of writing long well thought out messages on match .com and not hear so much as a one sentence reply. Tired of their superficial impossibly high standards . Maybe I'll just start being a self obsessed, arrogant, jerk then Ill start getting girls in droves!
I can only speak for myself here, but h3ll naw I don't want some ***** wipe like Chris Brown. I've been down that road, and it's not a positive one in any way, shape, or form.
Per the rest of your post, where I live, common courtesy like a one sentence reply of even a "sorry, not interested", seems to be virtually nonexistent. And, guys seem to view dating as a game.
So, the quick reply is; not all of us want a jack ***** like Chris Brown.
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) that it simply doesn't count.
