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Do you think its a coincidence that wives are much more likely to bring their older friends around their husband instead of younger ones?
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Originally Posted by capitol
No, I'm insinuating that the wife believes that. It's definitely no coincidence that females are less likely to bring their single friends around their husbands. Thats one thing I noticed.
Don't confuse your world/experiences with how normal, healthy married couples are behaving. That's outside your sphere.
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Originally Posted by OdysseusNY
for that particular graph they probably didn't ask anything. probably just counted how many unsolicited messages were sent to people at particular ages
compared to most of the writers on this subject, to me they seem very rigorous in their analysis and use large, high quality data sets
the main site is here and has many, many such graphs: OkTrends
the blog is a good read for anyone who likes both math and sexing. my bet it is written by a bunch of hot geeks
I think the first thing that needs to be determined, if any intend to generalize, are the demographics of the men sending the messages and the demographics of the women receiving them. I have a few fake accounts on these sites and have received messages without even a pic. In one of them I had a pic of a 3ft midget Santa with a potty mouth and I get messages.
Don't confuse your world/experiences with how normal, healthy married couples are behaving. That's outside your sphere.
I think the first thing that needs to be determined, if any intend to generalize, are the demographics of the men sending the messages and the demographics of the women receiving them. I have a few fake accounts on these sites and have received messages without even a pic. In one of them I had a pic of a 3ft midget Santa with a potty mouth and I get messages.
I think the first thing that needs to be determined, if any intend to generalize, are the demographics of the men sending the messages and the demographics of the women receiving them. I have a few fake accounts on these sites and have received messages without even a pic. In one of them I had a pic of a 3ft midget Santa with a potty mouth and I get messages.
of course there will be some occasional bad data. but their data source is large and reliable enough to make the effects of the occasional invalid data points negligible
given the rigor of their analysis as well as the caliber of folks they are hiring, i also would guess they preprocess their data to remove obvious invalid datapoints and also take into account the effect of things like this
just off the top of my head, screening out accounts that never reply as well as accounts that only have public domain images would remove a lot of midget santas
their staff has serious math and comp sci cred, i'm sure they've put a lot of thought into these issues
if anyone has seen a more convincing data driven approach than theirs i'd love to see it. and it's light years ahead of most analysis of this subject, which is often just sloppy op-ed type stuff (a la the OP link actually )
of course there will be some occasional bad data. but their data source is large and reliable enough to make the effects of the occasional invalid data points negligible
given the rigor of their analysis as well as the caliber of folks they are hiring, i also would guess they preprocess their data to remove obvious invalid datapoints and also take into account the effect of things like this
just off the top of my head, screening out accounts that never reply as well as accounts that only have public domain images would remove a lot of midget santas
their staff has serious math and comp sci cred, i'm sure they've put a lot of thought into these issues
if anyone has seen a more convincing data driven approach than theirs i'd love to see it. and it's light years ahead of most analysis of this subject, which is often just sloppy op-ed type stuff (a la the OP link actually )
I don't know - the thing is - I have a feeling that data from online dating sites isn't always going to be representative of how people respond to others in the real world. Online - you can put your age preferences. In real life - you just meet and see people. It's a totally different thing. Like I said - I'm 36. In real life - men would probably give me a chance that wouldn't online because in real life, I don't wear my age plastered to my forehead. In the same vein, I have a feeling that online, shorter men with great personalities probably have a much harder time than they do in real life.
of course there will be some occasional bad data. but their data source is large and reliable enough to make the effects of the occasional invalid data points negligible
given the rigor of their analysis as well as the caliber of folks they are hiring, i also would guess they preprocess their data to remove obvious invalid datapoints and also take into account the effect of things like this
just off the top of my head, screening out accounts that never reply as well as accounts that only have public domain images would remove a lot of midget santas
their staff has serious math and comp sci cred, i'm sure they've put a lot of thought into these issues
if anyone has seen a more convincing data driven approach than theirs i'd love to see it. and it's light years ahead of most analysis of this subject, which is often just sloppy op-ed type stuff (a la the OP link actually )
I'm not saying the data is bad for what it is. I'm sure midget santa outliers are a small piece of the pie. I just don't know what demographic is represented by members of a free online dating site. Or the behavior online period. Some CD men here would like to think it's everybody, which is par for the course when it's obviously not, but the question has to be posed in the name of intellectual honesty. Further, I don't think the data is valuable. I don't think it has any real impact. What people want online is a far cry from what they manifest offline. The latter matters, the former really doesn't as far as I can tell.
I don't know - the thing is - I have a feeling that data from online dating sites isn't always going to be representative of how people respond to others in the real world. Online - you can put your age preferences. In real life - you just meet and see people. It's a totally different thing. Like I said - I'm 36. In real life - men would probably give me a chance that wouldn't online because in real life, I don't wear my age plastered to my forehead. In the same vein, I have a feeling that online, shorter men with great personalities probably have a much harder time than they do in real life.
they don't only go by what people report. they prefer to go by what they observe
for instance, many men might say he is looking for 20 - 25 but then actually message a bunch of 30 year olds. that would be an important observation. they have the data to make such observations, and as far as I know are the only entity making such data even slightly accessible to the public
of course there are still weaknesses. for instance, what is the correlation between who people message and who they actually go on a date with?
however to me it's much more compelling than all the anecdotes people tend to offer up either about dating online or IRL
online dating is becoming more and more common. my guess is that in ten years, it will just be another part of "real" dating, rather than considered something separate like it is now
i do feel that behavior pursuing people online and IRL is somewhat different. the online things seems like some sort of weird distillation of what people want that in some ways, makes people seem more shallow
but nevertheless i think there certainly is a strong connection between what people really want and how they online date. so i find strong analysis of it very interesting
Further, I don't think the data is valuable. I don't think it has any real impact. What people want online is a far cry from what they manifest offline. The latter matters, the former really doesn't as far as I can tell.
it's certainly valuable in a purely monetary sense. these sites leverage it and make a killing
as far as "deeper" value... i don't think many people under thirty make such a sharp distinction between how they act online versus offline. eventually the dating pool will only consist of people who have grown up with this stuff at their fingertips. i think CD makes a much bigger deal of this online/offline division actually
even among me and my peers (early 30s), online dating is just another part of being single. totally normal and almost every does or has done it. not some huge big deal worthy of page after page of debate like it is here
i'm sure that's even more the case for the generation younger than me that has just started to date. they can't even remember a time before the internet
they don't only go by what people report. they prefer to go by what they observe
for instance, many men might say he is looking for 20 - 25 but then actually message a bunch of 30 year olds. that would be an important observation. they have the data to make such observations, and as far as I know are the only entity making such data even slightly accessible to the public
of course there are still weaknesses. for instance, what is the correlation between who people message and who they actually go on a date with?
however to me it's much more compelling than all the anecdotes people tend to offer up either about dating online or IRL
online dating is becoming more and more common. my guess is that in ten years, it will just be another part of "real" dating, rather than considered something separate like it is now
i do feel that behavior pursuing people online and IRL is somewhat different. the online things seems like some sort of weird distillation of what people want that in some ways, makes people seem more shallow
but nevertheless i think there certainly is a strong connection between what people really want and how they online date. so i find strong analysis of it very interesting
I never did online dating - but from what I gather on CD - I feel like it really limits people. I'm not sure I ever would have met my husband based on our profiles. It seems like it forces you to have checklists and parameters - whereas in real life you might just meet someone and hit it off even though they weren't anything like what you thought you wanted.
I think the data gathered from these sites can be interesting - but trying to say when a person is the most physically desirable seems not only impossible to really measure but of no consequence in any shape or form.
I'm not saying the data is bad for what it is. I'm sure midget santa outliers are a small piece of the pie. I just don't know what demographic is represented by members of a free online dating site. Or the behavior online period. Some CD men here would like to think it's everybody, which is par for the course when it's obviously not, but the question has to be posed in the name of intellectual honesty. Further, I don't think the data is valuable. I don't think it has any real impact. What people want online is a far cry from what they manifest offline. The latter matters, the former really doesn't as far as I can tell.
I couldn't read your post. I'm still laughing about midget Santa outliers.
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I think the peaks are about the same for both, although if I were to only draw on my HS graduating class men appear to let themselves go earlier and easier.
Oh man... last night I went to a local bar in my hometown (I NEVER go out in my hometown, it's pretty trashy) because a friend of mine's band was playing. I saw at least 5 guys I went to High School with and wow...they all looked like they were in their 40s or older. I absolutely couldn't believe these guys were still in their 20s! Even the few girls I saw there that I knew were my age looked really bad...leathery skin, fake blonde hair, a little meth-y.
I left for a reason.
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