does social class really matter? (men, attracted, college, call)
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In my opinion, people care too much about what others think. If social class matter to YOU, than obviosuly its a consideration when you get together with a person of a different social class. If it doesnt matter to YOU, and youre willing to judge a person based on their relation to you and their personality, then it should make zero difference. Being considered or coming from a background of a higher social class than your SO, doesnt automatiacaly make you a better person and if you consider the air of perceived superiority often attached to this topic, it will at times make you far more superficial
I think it's more than income. She comes from a white collar background, he comes from a blue collar background. The differences can be significant or they can be minor. We don't know the dynamics of the relationship, we are all speaking in generalities. A truck driver can make over 70k(I know one that is 24 that currently does), but how much would he have in common with the accountant that made 70k or the college professor that made 80k? Typically speaking, like attracts like. There are those outliers who make it work, with someone that is unlike them in some ways, but most people tend to have better relationships with those that are most similar to them.
Only in America blue or white collar can be considered a "class"
Keep telling yourself that blue vs. White collar are separate classes while in reality that white collar secretary or high school teacher is not in any differrnt class than some highly skilled craftsmen....
College education does not elevate anybody into a higher class.... look hoe many college grads are working entry level blue collar job.
Difference in education may be a problem by itself in a relationship.
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Originally Posted by rebel12
Only in America blue or white collar can be considered a "class"
Keep telling yourself that blue vs. White collar are separate classes while in reality that white collar secretary or high school teacher is not in any differrnt class than some highly skilled craftsmen....
College education does not elevate anybody into a higher class.... look hoe many college grads are working entry level blue collar job.
Difference in education may be a problem by itself in a relationship.
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I could've skipped uni and gone up north to drive big trucks, earning thrice what I would now.
I could've skipped uni and gone up north to drive big trucks, earning thrice what I would now.
Blue collar jobs are no longer just trucking and construction. Have a buddy fixing radar installation with a salary in six figures. There are plenty of jobs we would earlier classify as blue collar i.e. non-managament, manual labor jobs which today require serious training or education... The world became more complex and so did "blue collar" jobs. Any wayz, blue collar / white collar are not distinct classes of people. There is not much in common between a secretary or entryz level systemz abalyst and an attorney and heart surgeons.
The only real distinction is salaries and this is what makes class: people below 60K, over 60K, over 100K, over 300K and over a million. Of course there is an underclass of people who do not have to pay their income taxes but they are almost outside of the general society for most intents and purposes.
People belonging to any of these groups, based on (individual) income, tend to live in areas where such income is prevalent, send kids to different schools, go shopping to different stores, spend vacations in different spots, drive different cars etc etc...
Money is the only qualifier in America, no dukes, barons and counts here
I could've skipped uni and gone up north to drive big trucks, earning thrice what I would now.
That's because even universities are separated by classes, some diplomas command better jobs than others and then there individual drive and abilities. No diploma guarantees a good paying job...
This is a side effect of a drive to educate more population: diplomas devaluated and there is a lot of people who hold diplomas and posess minimal knowledge. All of a sudden it takes a college degree to manage a large grocery store or a restaurant. American universities are trying to make up for diffiencies of American high schools: the knowledge you expect nowadays from a college grad what you would expect before from a high school graduate.
Blue collar jobs are no longer just trucking and construction. Have a buddy fixing radar installation with a salary in six figures. There are plenty of jobs we would earlier classify as blue collar i.e. non-managament, manual labor jobs which today require serious training or education... The world became more complex and so did "blue collar" jobs. Any wayz, blue collar / white collar are not distinct classes of people. There is not much in common between a secretary or entryz level systemz abalyst and an attorney and heart surgeons.
The only real distinction is salaries and this is what makes class: people below 60K, over 60K, over 100K, over 300K and over a million. Of course there is an underclass of people who do not have to pay their income taxes but they are almost outside of the general society for most intents and purposes.
People belonging to any of these groups, based on (individual) income, tend to live in areas where such income is prevalent, send kids to different schools, go shopping to different stores, spend vacations in different spots, drive different cars etc etc...
Money is the only qualifier in America, no dukes, barons and counts here
That's a charming thought, but no, money is not the only indicator of socioeconomic class. The true upper classes with real wealth have little in common with the successful entrepreneur living in a million-dollar McMansion. Higher education is typical and expected among the upper class, even if they do not work for a living. Old money also tends to marry old money, instead of marrying the newly rich like celebrities, lottery winners, or dot-com millionaires.
Most of us do not have to deal with that world. The majority of us are middle-class or working class, and those ranks are more fluid. Still, a person's upbringing, manners, intelligence, and other factors will play a huge part in his or her compatibility with another.
That's a charming thought, but no, money is not the only indicator of socioeconomic class. The true upper classes with real wealth have little in common with the successful entrepreneur living in a million-dollar McMansion. Higher education is typical and expected among the upper class, even if they do not work for a living. Old money also tends to marry old money, instead of marrying the newly rich like celebrities, lottery winners, or dot-com millionaires.
Nah. There are no real upper classes in America unlike Europe where only your only lineage could justify your claim to status.
"Upper American" classes are simply descendants of succesful store owners, enterpreneurs and cotton farmers. Rich descendants and that's what makes them special.
Arnold Schwartzeneger married into Kennedy clan and there was no scandal. If you rich, filthy rich or super famous then you belong no matter what. Of course even a multimillion dollar McMansion doesn't make you upper class but 20 of them do.
You mistake America fro Europe and wealthy people for royalty. Charming, but too simplistic.
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Originally Posted by JustJulia
Still, a person's upbringing, manners, intelligence, and other factors will play a huge part in his or her compatibility with another.
Of course, but that does not have anything to do with belonging to imaginary class but more personality of the individual...
i work in a 'white collar field', the guy i am dating is 'blue collar'. He treats me like a queen and is the ideal concept of what i expect a man to be like. however, i am getting a hard time from some of my friends and particularly my family who believe i should "stick to people in my own class" as they say. I believe horrible people come in all social ranks, and have been treated wronged by some of those so called "white collar folks" i was sworn to date since birth. I just want to like someone who likes me for me. but does social class really matter?
I believe it does, but up to a point. In your case, it sounds like a "win' for you and you should stick to what you have so as long as your man is keeping you happy. You should also throw the fact that your blue collar man makes you happy (which is a main point of a relationship) back into the faces of your "friends" and family to shut them up.
Sure, you could dump the guy you have now and find another man who your family would approve of, but then you would be unhappy due to the fact that you don't have what you really want.
But, in my experience, it usually does not work out well for women who earn more, are more educated and come from a higher social status than their husband.
It seems to be something that might be more of a deal with women, generally speaking. If you were a guy dating a girl who was blue collar, not that big of a deal really. Sure, there are exceptions.
If this girl who started the thread and this guy are happy, who is everybody around her to tell her the relationship is wrong, right?
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Most of us do not have to deal with that world. The majority of us are middle-class or working class, and those ranks are more fluid. Still, a person's upbringing, manners, intelligence, and other factors will play a huge part in his or her compatibility with another.