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What is with this continuing notion that men are unemotional beings that run from commitment, and only desire to be with a different, warm body every night?
Guys may not talk about relationships with their peer groups, or read sappy romance novels. They may like to have tough image. However, many, many men do like and appreciate relationships, marriage, and commitment to the woman they love.
It doesn't make it universal. There are guys who just want to party. However, ultimately, I do not see too many men who live their whole lives with no desire for love, partnership, or commitment (whether or not they marry or want marriage).
So you are saying that men only want to get laid the therefore don't want to get married? Is that your stance?
Not my stance personally. As I have shared before, I do not support promiscuity. Same reason why I have been the one who normally says “no” to sex regardless of a woman being hot, in great shape, seductive, etc. I’ve shared some experiences before on that. Didn’t you tell me before that guys were not even disagreeing with the thread? My stance is that men, not women, are known to be commitment phobic for all kinds of reasons that I don’t necessarily agree with all of them. Can’t deny that it is women, generally speaking, dream about their proposal, wedding, being married, etc. since they are little children, not men.
Not my stance personally. As I have shared before, I do not support promiscuity. Same reason why I have been the one who normally says “no” to sex regardless of a woman being hot, in great shape, seductive, etc. I’ve shared some experiences before on that. Didn’t you tell me before that guys were not even disagreeing with the thread? My stance is that men, not women, are known to be commitment phobic for all kinds of reasons that I don’t necessarily agree with all of them. Can’t deny that it is women, generally speaking, dream about their proposal, wedding, being married, etc. since they are little children, not men.
So - to try to get to the point - you are saying that men don't want to get married - they just want to get laid. So therefore, it is women who initiate marriage because they've dreamed of it all their lives. Is this your opinion?
What is with this continuing notion that men are unemotional beings that run from commitment, and only desire to be with a different, warm body every night?
Guys may not talk about relationships with their peer groups, or read sappy romance novels. They may like to have tough image. However, many, many men do like and appreciate relationships, marriage, and commitment to the woman they love.
It doesn't make it universal. There are guys who just want to party. However, ultimately, I do not see too many men who live their whole lives with no desire for love, partnership, or commitment (whether or not they marry or want marriage).
From my (rather limited) experience a lot of guys like to screw around until something 'clicks' and then they want to marry the first girl they 'fall for'.
I've known one or two players that all of a sudden had a change of hear and were married within a year. I suppose it's just the luck of finding a man who is marriage minded at the right time.
Men may still mostly propose, but is it still mostly the woman who initiates marriage? E.g. suggests it, pressures him.etc. I'm not suggesting most or just after his money or something, but is it mostly the women who want to jump in quicker? Of course it depends on the person and I'm generalizing, but I mean marriage, especially these days, is popular as ever and it still seems conventional for the man to propose...my guess is that most of the case it's not 'out of the blue' and it's something the couple has been talking about it for awhile. What annoys me is when women complain 'why won't he just ask me already?' Like she's pressuring him to propose so they can have the fairytale wedding and fairytale marriage.
I don't think so. I see many men eager to get married nowadays.
My husband and I dated for four years before he proposed, we were in no rush, after that we waited another two years to tie the knot. I had several boyfriends propose to me before him, and I wasn't even dating them that long and marriage wasn't even on my mind.
Men may still mostly propose, but is it still mostly the woman who initiates marriage? E.g. suggests it, pressures him.etc. I'm not suggesting most or just after his money or something, but is it mostly the women who want to jump in quicker? Of course it depends on the person and I'm generalizing, but I mean marriage, especially these days, is popular as ever and it still seems conventional for the man to propose...my guess is that most of the case it's not 'out of the blue' and it's something the couple has been talking about it for awhile. What annoys me is when women complain 'why won't he just ask me already?' Like she's pressuring him to propose so they can have the fairytale wedding and fairytale marriage.
So, how many women have actually said that to you?
My ex begged me to marry him. Had his neighbors talk to me...his mom...definitely his idea. You are making a mistake if you think that marriage is usually the woman's idea.
Women let it be known that they're looking to get married, some give ultimatums. It's mostly the men that propose the marriage. Women are not in any position to force grown as* men to marry them. If the man decide he doesn't want to be married, he should leave her then -- instead they do the usual: marry her, then blame the woman for their own actions. Nothing new.
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What is with this continuing notion that men are unemotional beings that run from commitment, and only desire to be with a different, warm body every night? 
