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I have been dating a girl for about 3-4 weeks. We are in our late 20's/early 30's.
On the first date we made out. On the second date she made a big speech about how she has a two month waiting period, and "oxytocin" and not wanting to get too physical too fast. I thought I had been friendzoned, but decided to continue seeing her due to a lack of any better current prospects. On the third date, we made out, and ended up in the bedroom (which she consented to). I "went down" on her as a special treat (which she enjoyed, later describing as "awesome", and orgasmed several times), but subsequently she refused actual intercourse. We ended up sleeping together (but no sex).
On the fourth date, again she ended up sleeping over. I was tired and was just planning on crashing. But when I went to bed, she was extremely frisky/sexual (at least in my perception). Again, I got all of her clothes off including her underwear, but then she refused classic intercourse. I don't know why she let me take all of her clothes off, maybe she expected oral again, but I'm not inclined to oblige every time. Again, she gave a talk about not moving physically too fast. She then slept completely naked with her legs wrapped around mine.
So I'm very confused now about the relationship. I did a search for this on google, and apparently sleepovers with cuddling without sex means "friendzone". Also, from other forums, any girl telling you about waiting periods and all that for sex just isn't that much into you, because she'd probably be giving it to another man that she was more attracted to. I guess I'm also confused about what "sex" is. I've already penetrated her with my tongue and fingers. Seems like we've already moved pretty fast, just haven't done the last bit of it.
Should these sleepovers continue? Given the "waiting period" that's been imposed, is this girl just stringing me along until she finds a man she's more into?
I have been dating a girl for about 3-4 weeks. We are in our late 20's/early 30's.
On the first date we made out. On the second date she made a big speech about how she has a two month waiting period, and "oxytocin" and not wanting to get too physical too fast. I thought I had been friendzoned, but decided to continue seeing her due to a lack of any better current prospects. On the third date, we made out, and ended up in the bedroom (which she consented to). I "went down" on her as a special treat (which she enjoyed, later describing as "awesome", and orgasmed several times), but subsequently she refused actual intercourse. We ended up sleeping together (but no sex).
On the fourth date, again she ended up sleeping over. I was tired and was just planning on crashing. But when I went to bed, she was extremely frisky/sexual (at least in my perception). Again, I got all of her clothes off including her underwear, but then she refused classic intercourse. I don't know why she let me take all of her clothes off, maybe she expected oral again, but I'm not inclined to oblige every time. Again, she gave a talk about not moving physically too fast. She then slept completely naked with her legs wrapped around mine.
So I'm very confused now about the relationship. I did a search for this on google, and apparently sleepovers with cuddling without sex means "friendzone". Also, from other forums, any girl telling you about waiting periods and all that for sex just isn't that much into you, because she'd probably be giving it to another man that she was more attracted to. I guess I'm also confused about what "sex" is. I've already penetrated her with my tongue and fingers. Seems like we've already moved pretty fast, just haven't done the last bit of it.
Should these sleepovers continue? Given the "waiting period" that's been imposed, is this girl just stringing me along until she finds a man she's more into?
I only skimmed the OP, but it's pretty clear to me she wants to have sex and is putting it all on the line. She says she wants to wait becuase that's the socially acceptable thing to say, but in reality she wants to get it on. People don't sleep naked next to someone like that unless they're ready for you to try and make a move. She's testing the OP to see if he's got the sack to man up and go after what he wants, so to speak, whether she realizes she's doing this or not is another topic unto itself.
I'm with Tom Leykis when he says no sleepovers if sex is off the table. She's articulating it, but her actions betray her intent. Ignore her words and judge her by her actions, which is a naked woman in your bed waiting for a real man to stoke the fires of lust and plow past her token resistance/ASD.
I only skimmed the OP, but it's pretty clear to me she wants to have sex and is putting it all on the line. She says she wants to wait becuase that's the socially acceptable thing to say, but in reality she wants to get it on. People don't sleep naked next to someone like that unless they're ready for you to try and make a move. She's testing the OP to see if he's got the sack to man up and go after what he wants, so to speak, whether she realizes she's doing this or not is another topic unto itself.
I'm with Tom Leykis when he says no sleepovers if sex is off the table. She's articulating it, but her actions betray her intent. Ignore her words and judge her by her actions, which is a naked woman in your bed waiting for a real man to stoke the fires of lust and plow past her token resistance/ASD.
Well then it's time to kick her to the curb. I do agree that the OP needs to stop letting her treat him like a test subject. Seriously though I'd be like **********, boot up the porn and fap away rather than deal with some little girl that doesn't know what she wants.
On the first date we made out. On the second date she made a big speech about how she has a two month waiting period, and "oxytocin" and not wanting to get too physical too fast. I thought I had been friendzoned, but decided to continue seeing her due to a lack of any better current prospects. On the third date, we made out, and ended up in the bedroom (which she consented to). I "went down" on her as a special treat (which she enjoyed, later describing as "awesome", and orgasmed several times), but subsequently she refused actual intercourse. We ended up sleeping together (but no sex).
On the fourth date, again she ended up sleeping over. I was tired and was just planning on crashing. But when I went to bed, she was extremely frisky/sexual (at least in my perception). Again, I got all of her clothes off including her underwear, but then she refused classic intercourse. I don't know why she let me take all of her clothes off, maybe she expected oral again, but I'm not inclined to oblige every time. Again, she gave a talk about not moving physically too fast. She then slept completely naked with her legs wrapped around mine.
I don't think that she isn't interested in you just because she isn't having sex with you. Maybe she is interested in investing in an actual relationship and believes that sex should wait.
I'm dating a guy now and I told him the same thing. I'm not ready to have sex. He has never seen me with all of my clothes off though. Just my top. Lol.
I haven't spent the night either. But I hang out at his place almost everyday.
But we do a lot of kissing and grinding.
From a female perspective (mine) I am just worried that if we have sex I could ruin a potential relationship. So I'd personally like to wait.
Can't say I've heard of that one before. Isn't it usually the guy who wants oral but never reciprocates?
Why was I thinking the same thing when I read that?!
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I thought I had been friendzoned, but decided to continue seeing her due to a lack of any better current prospects. On the third date, we made out, and ended up in the bedroom (which she consented to). I "went down" on her as a special treat (which she enjoyed, later describing as "awesome", and orgasmed several times), but subsequently she refused actual intercourse. We ended up sleeping together (but no sex).
She then slept completely naked with her legs wrapped around mine.
