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Yes, I think the sex industry has affected men's minds, especially younger men's. Years ago, if a teenager wanted to look at "naked ladies," he sneaked into his older brother's room and stole his Playboy, or he waited until his parents were asleep and saw what he could see in a scrambled signal of Cinemax at 2:00 a.m. Chances are what he was looking at was just nude women, maybe some sex between clipped but not shaven adults who were not surgically enhanced.
Nowadays, porn featuring grossly enhanced, otherwise prepubescent-looking women with no pubic hair performing extreme sex acts involving violence, eating feces, vomiting, gagging, or worse is available at the click of a button. I do think that it has given young men who grew up on this stuff a skewed idea of what to expect from their flesh-and-blood girlfriends, as well as a warped idea of what turns real women on and even how to interact with women. Years ago, if you caught your son looking at porn, you just had to tell him, "Remember, those women are airbrushed and your real girlfriend will have imperfections." Now you have to tell him, "Remember, those women are only acting and even if your real girlfriend wants to try anal sex, she certainly will not want to go down on you immediately afterward nor will she want to have regular sex until you wash up because she will get an infection otherwise, nor does she want you choking her, slapping her face, or punching her. What you were just looking at is about as real as Underworld."
But there is a flipside to this: I think it has warped young women's minds, too. I think it has taught them that to get male attention, they have to push the extremes, even if it means pain or discomfort or degrading themselves. I think the modern sex industry is why you see straight girls making out with each other in bars just to get men's attention, and I think it feeds into the kind of self-loathing exhibited in extreme surgical modification.
All of that said, I do think it's on parents to have open, frank, and honest discussions with their kids. And I do think experienced men in their 30s and older tend to know better. I think a lot of the issues you've addressed with this poll affect young people who grew up seeing this stuff and not knowing anything different.
Yes, I think the sex industry has affected men's minds, especially younger men's. Years ago, if a teenager wanted to look at "naked ladies," he sneaked into his older brother's room and stole his Playboy, or he waited until his parents were asleep and saw what he could see in a scrambled signal of Cinemax at 2:00 a.m. Chances are what he was looking at was just nude women, maybe some sex between clipped but not shaven adults who were not surgically enhanced.
Nowadays, porn featuring grossly enhanced, otherwise prepubescent-looking women with no pubic hair performing extreme sex acts involving violence, eating feces, vomiting, gagging, or worse is available at the click of a button. I do think that it has given young men who grew up on this stuff a skewed idea of what to expect from their flesh-and-blood girlfriends, as well as a warped idea of what turns real women on and even how to interact with women. Years ago, if you caught your son looking at porn, you just had to tell him, "Remember, those women are airbrushed and your real girlfriend will have imperfections." Now you have to tell him, "Remember, those women are only acting and even if your real girlfriend wants to try anal sex, she certainly will not want to go down on you immediately afterward nor will she want to have regular sex until you wash up because she will get an infection otherwise, nor does she want you choking her, slapping her face, or punching her."
But there is a flipside to this: I think it has warped young women's minds, too. I think it has taught them that to get male attention, they have to push the extremes, even if it means pain or discomfort or degrading themselves. I think the modern sex industry is why you see straight girls making out with each other in bars just to get men's attention, and I think it feeds into the kind of self-loathing exhibited in extreme surgical modification.
All of that said, I do think it's on parents to have open, frank, and honest discussions with their kids. And I do think experienced men in their 30s and older tend to know better. I think a lot of the issues you've addressed with this poll affect young people who grew up seeing this stuff and not knowing anything different.
I'm 23 and a little bit kinky, but find nothing wrong with straight sex. Bondage is kinda hot though...
Yes it has on many levels. For instance I think it has pushed this view that many men have that they can get any woman they want to do anything. I couldn't begin to mention all the men on the dating sites who thought asking about sex before meeting or having sex on a first date is normal. Let's not forget that many men think some practices all women like. Finally, I also think it has resulted in many men thinking they too can find a hot woman because of the ugly men in porn who bang hot women. Many men now are critical of women who aren't perfect like the women in the videos.
This is a topic about the sex industry (porn, stripping, alright lingerie, etc.) but this is NOT a topic for people to talk about whether they think the sex industry is right or wrong. I hope the question I am asking is clear.
Awhile ago I read where people talked about certain 'sexual practices' (use your imagination) that mostly became popular in the porn industry but have now crossed over & have become 'expected' within the realms of the sex lives of the average couple. Example: I once had a female friend who's boyfriend was asking her to do sexual things that he got from a porn film. He bucked at the idea that she wouldn't even do these things just because that's what he wanted ... Also keep in mind, that the 'regular' 9 to 5 woman can also become an instant porn star in today's world. So that probably further pushes the mens' ideas that this regular woman "should" have no kind of boundaries or less boundaries because the ones in porn are so loose, easy and accessible. My opinion is I do not believe the average man's views of 'regular' women are not tainted by what they see other more extreme women participating in via strippers or porn stars. There is someone that is bound to say: "OH come on. They are grown men and able to separate fantasy, etc." Okay, if this is so, why do we see more men then ever pushing women to be more extreme sexually then in previous years? When they women refuse they basically get derided for it or called 'prude,' or similar.
Anyway, the question is this: Do you think the sex industry 'teaches' men that it's acceptable to degrade or think less of the average NON sex industry women, as a result of being overloaded with the images of what more extreme women are doing sexually?
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I actually agree with you...... a rare moment, but I guess it's bound to happen at some point.
I'll take your hypothesis a step further, I think it affect both men and women.
We are inundated with porn everywhere, the Internet, Hollywood, more in a softer sense, but the degradation of men and women is everywhere, I don't say this in a chicken little the end of the world is near, but it is a real thing.
Just do a simple search online via google or bing, and you'll get up close crotch shots on search terms that are no where near pornographic in nature, I'm not sure how people are coding web pages to be indexed by DNS servers online to pull up porn, but man, it sure is happening.
I think young girls are being taught to put out at much earlier ages and yes, boys are being taught to expect "kinkier" things, for a lack of a better way of saying it.
I went to lunch with a co-worker a few yrs ago and he was telling me about what he found out about his 12 yr old daughter. She was basically giving boys oral at school.
I'm like WTF is going on... is that the message we're telling our young people, all you are is a piece of meat. The boys know if one girls doesn't do it, the next will and she'll be stigmatized.
This is NOT ACCEPTABLE.
It's not acceptable for young boys to grow up thinking this is normal and same goes for young girls.
I could blather on about why I think this is happening but that is outside the scope of the thread.
Of course it has affected men. Everything we watch (or read, or listen to) on a regular basis affects our tastes and the way we think. To say that porn is somehow exempt makes no sense. I personally do not have a problem with porn and watch it often enough to keep a website bookmarked on my phone. To claim that what I watch does not affect my sexual tastes would be a bald faced lie. I think this is even more true of men, since men are so much more visual than women. Men store what they see for sexual stimulation at a later date, and I don't think women do that.
Who gets to decide what normal, expected sexual practices are? Some find anything other than missionary position with the lights off perverted, should we all be held to their idea of acceptable sexual behavior and be deemed warped if we do not?
I'm 23 and a little bit kinky, but find nothing wrong with straight sex. Bondage is kinda hot though...
Not you in particular, but your mention of your age reminds me: I also think modern porn has given young men unrealistic expectations of older women.
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Who gets to decide what normal, expected sexual practices are? Some find anything other than missionary position with the lights off perverted, should we all be held to their idea of acceptable sexual behavior and be deemed warped if we do not?
Sorry, but scat porn will never be anything BUT warped. I think we all know what is and is not extreme.
I disagree about degrading, but i think if a guy watches tons of porn(especially of the extreme kind) before he finally has sex he might be a little disappointed.
IMO Porn is ok in really short doses, and I emphasize short. My only problems are
1. Too much and too extreme types of porn can desensitize you from the real thing.
2. When a man can easily fulfill his needs with porn it often doesn't give you any motivation to go out and find real live women.
Who gets to decide what normal, expected sexual practices are? Some find anything other than missionary position with the lights off perverted, should we all be held to their idea of acceptable sexual behavior and be deemed warped if we do not?
Yeah, straight sex is one thing.. but porn now... they do things that I can't mention.... I think people think that sorta thing is "normal"
I like getting a little pervy like the next guy, but IDK..... some of the crap that is out there..... is out there.... the comedian Doug Stanhope does a whole bit about how porn has to get stranger and stranger for some people to get off.... I think that is the sorta thing we're talking about......
I disagree about degrading, but i think if a guy watches tons of porn(especially of the extreme kind) before he finally has sex he might be a little disappointed.
IMO Porn is ok in really short doses, and I emphasize short. My only problems are
1. Too much and too extreme types of porn can desensitize you from the real thing.
2. When a man can easily fulfill his needs with porn it often doesn't give you any motivation to go out and find real live women.
I agree with this.
I don't watch porn, and I'm pretty kinky. If I'm going to masturbate, I use my imagination.
But to answer the question, I don't believe it relates to men degrading average women.
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... Also keep in mind, that the 'regular' 9 to 5 woman can also become an instant porn star in today's world. So that probably further pushes the mens' ideas that this regular woman "should" have no kind of boundaries or less boundaries because the ones in porn are so loose, easy and accessible. My opinion is I do not believe the average man's views of 'regular' women are not tainted by what they see other more extreme women participating in via strippers or porn stars. There is someone that is bound to say: "OH come on. They are grown men and able to separate fantasy, etc." Okay, if this is so, why do we see more men then ever pushing women to be more extreme sexually then in previous years? When they women refuse they basically get derided for it or called 'prude,' or similar.
